"Saw" movies are simply a celebration of the summer slashers which have always celebrated the art of gore and the unsympathetic cast. I hated them at one point in fact, never understood why people liked em. but I've learned through my wife's love of the genre to enjoy them.
I've come to see they're not enjoyed the way i connected with movies in other genres. Unlike most (?) movies, you aren't supposed to form a bond with or see yourself in these characters, they are there to die horrificly for your enjoyment.
You know it's not real, and the buzz you get from watching an imaginative kill well executed graphically is great fun, and everything and everyone is fine! It's harmless! So chop em up baby, show me a spectacle!
Damn I’ll listen to their episode on it later. Just from watching the movie I have no idea what this is referring to.
Edit: Just listened and agreed on most stuff. I did notice the yellow filter use but I didn’t notice they took it off with the white lady.
Side tangent, they say it’s clear the films take the side of Jigsaw being a hero, but i disagree with that. I mean you’re clearly meant to sympathize with the first two people in Saw X, as well as root for Amanda while she tries to get Garbriela out (although the film is also sadistic). The only person who’s portrayed as pure evil and worthy of “punishment” is the blonde millionaire lady, and she survives, which is in line with Jigsaw’s philosophy, while Mateo is killed on a technicality.
But there are clearly characters who are portrayed as doing bad things with the aim of making the viewer root for their death, Saw 3D having tons of examples. At the same time, while in some cases Jigsaw’s methods are seen as rehabilitative, there are also cases where it’s criticized. For example there’s the lady who chopped off her arm (from I don’t remember which movie, but it’s after 3) who scoffs at Jigsaw (Hoffman’s version, which is also seen as a corrupted version of Kramer, but what he did in this case is no different from something Kramer would do) when asked if she learned to appreciate her life, talking abt how the only benefit she received was handicap parking. It’s very clearly meant to show that Jigsaw’s philosophy does not necessarily rehabilitate people.
There’s even a deleted scene in 3 where Kramer’s Jigsaw says he was wrong before he dies according to the DVD commentary.
Yeah but Saw (and similar tortureporn movies) focus on the realistic, gruesome violence (often in closeup). That was never a selling point of the “summer slashers” you are trying to wax poetic about.
You put summer slashers in quotes and disparaged my poetry.
I think you just don't like the genre, and and that's just fine. Make sure you remember that my enjoyment is just fine too, and remember to be civil, because this here? This topic? Doesn't matter enough to start a fight.
Saw X, Scream 6, and Across the Spiderverse were good. Haven’t seen most of these.
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The Saw movies are just torture porn. Gotta question the headspace of people who like them.
"Saw" movies are simply a celebration of the summer slashers which have always celebrated the art of gore and the unsympathetic cast. I hated them at one point in fact, never understood why people liked em. but I've learned through my wife's love of the genre to enjoy them.
I've come to see they're not enjoyed the way i connected with movies in other genres. Unlike most (?) movies, you aren't supposed to form a bond with or see yourself in these characters, they are there to die horrificly for your enjoyment.
You know it's not real, and the buzz you get from watching an imaginative kill well executed graphically is great fun, and everything and everyone is fine! It's harmless! So chop em up baby, show me a spectacle!
To be fair saw ten is pretty brutally racist if the analysis by the podcast Horror Vanguard is to be believed. I've not seen it yet
Damn I’ll listen to their episode on it later. Just from watching the movie I have no idea what this is referring to.
Edit: Just listened and agreed on most stuff. I did notice the yellow filter use but I didn’t notice they took it off with the white lady.
Side tangent, they say it’s clear the films take the side of Jigsaw being a hero, but i disagree with that. I mean you’re clearly meant to sympathize with the first two people in Saw X, as well as root for Amanda while she tries to get Garbriela out (although the film is also sadistic). The only person who’s portrayed as pure evil and worthy of “punishment” is the blonde millionaire lady, and she survives, which is in line with Jigsaw’s philosophy, while Mateo is killed on a technicality.
But there are clearly characters who are portrayed as doing bad things with the aim of making the viewer root for their death, Saw 3D having tons of examples. At the same time, while in some cases Jigsaw’s methods are seen as rehabilitative, there are also cases where it’s criticized. For example there’s the lady who chopped off her arm (from I don’t remember which movie, but it’s after 3) who scoffs at Jigsaw (Hoffman’s version, which is also seen as a corrupted version of Kramer, but what he did in this case is no different from something Kramer would do) when asked if she learned to appreciate her life, talking abt how the only benefit she received was handicap parking. It’s very clearly meant to show that Jigsaw’s philosophy does not necessarily rehabilitate people.
There’s even a deleted scene in 3 where Kramer’s Jigsaw says he was wrong before he dies according to the DVD commentary.
Yeah but Saw (and similar tortureporn movies) focus on the realistic, gruesome violence (often in closeup). That was never a selling point of the “summer slashers” you are trying to wax poetic about.
You put summer slashers in quotes and disparaged my poetry.
I think you just don't like the genre, and and that's just fine. Make sure you remember that my enjoyment is just fine too, and remember to be civil, because this here? This topic? Doesn't matter enough to start a fight.
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Nice little doodle, guy who masturbates to violence
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Scream 5 has a better final sequence imo but I also think the side-characters in the movie were very forgettable, and 6 did a better job w that.
I agree with the cop dad stuff but we’ve always had that pig nonsense in Spider-Man w Captain Stacey.