Another escalation against the proletariat, although I think that Biden's administration is sanctifying a lot of what Trump did in his previous term, which only gives more ideological unity to increasingly fascistic policies.

  • anarchoilluminati [comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    This is also my prediction. I just meant that instead of seeing the US transition to fascism when I am in my old age it will probably happen less than 15 years at best.

    • EnsignRedshirt [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      My point is more that the transition is both already here and also will never fully manifest. There won't be a moment where things are suddenly bad, just a constant process of bad things normalizing before the next round of bad things. It won't "happen" so much as the process itself is the event, and we are already in it. I bet during the fall of the Roman Empire people thought "things are bad, but at least the worst is yet to come" for longer than the US has been a country.

      • Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        Gods don’t let the transition to the next stage of development take hundreds more years: nothing on earth will survive but cockroaches if we aren’t able to reverse this within the lifetime of people living on the planet today.

        That said, you’re totally right. The shift is now, and has been for a while, and will be for longer. It won’t be the Nazi party, because, power is already consolidated in the hands of the fascists. The big question is which group takes control? The technocrats? The christofash? Or do they all keep fighting it out for decades, making everyone’s lives worse in the meantime unless we can unite and revolt?

        • EnsignRedshirt [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          I could caveat what I said with “until something changes”. As things get worse, and as the inherent contradictions become impossible to ignore, there will be more reason for people to directly engage, and less for them to lose by doing so.

          Even in my lifetime, in a prosperous country, I’ve seen general sentiment go from “this isn’t perfect, but it’s getting better” to “this isn’t good and it’s getting worse”. As an old millennial, my cohort is probably the last to get a chance at an even somewhat decent life in exchange for buying into the system, and even then we know we're not getting a better life than our parents. Anyone younger knows that they’re not getting the same chance, and they’re going to be radicalized at a much higher rate.

          20 years ago there wasn’t much hope of anything but incremental progress, if that, but now it’s becoming clear that progress simply isn’t going to happen on its own. There’s definitely potential for things to change in the not too distant future, if only because we’re quickly running out of room for things to get worse.

          • MerryChristmas [any]
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            1 year ago

            Thank you so much for taking the time to reply today. I fully agree with you on the current state of the system but I needed that hit of optimism at the end.

            • EnsignRedshirt [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              Haha, I don’t know if I’d call it optimism, but I think it’s not that difficult to look at history and see that our current trajectory is leading to instability, which allows for change to happen. It’s just not realistic to think that everything is going to get worse forever without any backlash.

      • Adkml [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Yea libs love to act like we're 10% of the way there and gonna tip over the line if Trump wins. In reality we're 85% of the way there and Trump might bump that up to 90%.

        And then it'll go to 95% the next time a dem wins and the chuds get equipped into a frothing rage that a lifelong neoliberal is doing a Marxist takeover of the country.

        • EnsignRedshirt [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Thank you, that’s exactly what I’m getting at. We can debate about the proportions, but the point is that we’re so much closer to the worst case scenario than anyone thinks, but we’re also not going to all of a sudden jump to 100% overnight. The trajectory is steady, and maybe accelerating, but it’s still going to be incremental until something breaks. It’ll be like climate change, where we’ll only really notice the damage in hindsight.

      • anarchoilluminati [comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        Maybe you're right. I do expect it to get worse and fully manifest, but slowly and not necessarily immediately upon Trump's next inauguration or anything. I don't think believe the US will be special in its avoiding explicit fascism at the moment and I do think it'll accelerate and support similar fascism worldwide, as it already does anyway, but we'll inevitably see when it happens.