Sounds pretty based to me.

  • WaterBear [they/them, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    The German state sees piracy groups and our comrades who Crack games and software as organized crime groups.

    The German state sees the YPG as organized crime groups.

    The German state sees anti G20 protestors and anti gentrification groups as organized crime groups.

    Etc etc.

    Your expressed idea of organized crime is exactly why the state uses such terms, to evoke the images of child murderers on legislation and public opinion, using it for their own capitalist oppressive goals. Their organized crime isn't or organized crime.

    • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      YPG isn't disemboweling civilians in front of their kids and piracy groups don't cut faces of people off while they're alive with a boxcutter.

      Neither do they profit off of anything they do.

      The cartel does.

      • WaterBear [they/them, comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        So? Nothing of that was of interest for the German state, which uses national and international laws aimed at organized crime against the gross I mentioned (often supported, or motivated to do it by the US and alike).

        This is my point. Just like 'criminal' to us are the people with capital, not the thief who steals bread or the union who is involved in direct action. So is organized crime not just of our definition.

        • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Sir, we're on a leftist website, no one refers to organized crime as organized crime on the terms of the German State.

          • WaterBear [they/them, comrade/them]
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            3 years ago

            Funny how liberal and reactionary words are fine, when you didn't yet critically analyzed them. There is enough by hard written on (organized) crime, there are material analysis possible, there is enough from published from Mexican groups to use alternative framing.

            Cartels are neither bad for being criminal, nor for being organized, nor for being organized crime, they are bad for the hurt of individuals, bad for the reactionary violence and anti emancipatory allowances they keep up etc. but nothing of it is cause of them being organized crime, except in the sense that capitalist enterprise that uses (alternative) state violence to control nodes of production, the sphere of circulation and so on and so on.

            Marx did show how organized violence and organized crimes (in relation to the laws of the predecessors) is what constituted a good part of the primitive accumulation, of colonialism and also on the advanced capitalist mode as found in the 'most developed' nations of Europe (not in a positive sense of progress, but an Marxist one in relation to industrialised capitalist production).

        • RNAi [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          It's well known that the German State can suck my whole ass. Stop saying fucking mexican cartels are demonized victims, ffs.

        • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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          3 years ago

          There is no difference between any kind of criminals actually, everyone is just labeled by the state.

            • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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              3 years ago

              ok lol so what was the point of replying to someone talking about criminals against the people by pointing out that sometimes the state also labels people criminals?

              • WaterBear [they/them, comrade/them]
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                3 years ago

                Crimes against "the" people aren't the same as crimes against people. Crimes against individuals are only crimes against the people insomatch as they are counter revolutionary.

                There is a type of liberalism that is adherence to legalism.