Sounds pretty based to me.
Yeah, no. Not even as a joke. The cartels are utterly vile, and have a lot of innocent blood on their hands in the name of profit. The only reason they're hunting down police is because those particular police won't tow their line. Otherwise, they have no problem exerting their influence on the Mexican state and its enforcers "peacefully" (as they've shown within the last several decades). Should we also celebrate corporate private militaries and assassins in other countries, as well?
not to mention organized crime (mafia, Russian mob, Yakuza, Triads etc...) are all anti-communist, and the state has used them as a weapon against Communist movements. Maoist China pretty much eliminated organized crime, and they all fled to Hong Kong and Macau, but since the Dengist reforms, organized crime is back and thriving in the PRC.
Recently watched The Act of Killing which covered the 1965 Indonesian Massacres and should bring up that the same death squads that were used by the anti-communist military were made up of criminals, and the paramilitary organization that they collectively formed is today actively entrenched in organized crime.
Triads etc…) are all anti-communist
they are now, but they weren't during the revolution
in fact, they probably saved the revolution as according to mao it was triad leaders who sheltered him in the 20s after the communists got fucked by the kuomintang (or at least that's the reference sakai uses in his book)
i'm just saying that because it's not always that organized crime is anti-communist or right-wing or whatever, lumpens in general tend to be a volatile class that can go anywhere and shouldn't be dismissed (of course, some groups i'd say are out of reach, but that should be looked at on a case by case basis)
not to mention organized crime (mafia, Russian mob, Yakuza, Triads etc…) are all anti-communist, and the state has used them as a weapon against Communist movements.
I'm pretty sure the Mexican cartels were all assisted pretty heavily by the CIA, like Los Zetas had military training.
The Hong Kong Triads got used against the anti-communist protesters last year. They're just tools of the pigs, no matter who they are.
At least my understanding is they just attacked as a way to maintain their control over "their territory".
Nah, the HKPD has a long history of using the Triads to suppress dissent going back to the 1960s and before.
The German state sees piracy groups and our comrades who Crack games and software as organized crime groups.
The German state sees the YPG as organized crime groups.
The German state sees anti G20 protestors and anti gentrification groups as organized crime groups.
Etc etc.
Your expressed idea of organized crime is exactly why the state uses such terms, to evoke the images of child murderers on legislation and public opinion, using it for their own capitalist oppressive goals. Their organized crime isn't or organized crime.
YPG isn't disemboweling civilians in front of their kids and piracy groups don't cut faces of people off while they're alive with a boxcutter.
Neither do they profit off of anything they do.
The cartel does.
So? Nothing of that was of interest for the German state, which uses national and international laws aimed at organized crime against the gross I mentioned (often supported, or motivated to do it by the US and alike).
This is my point. Just like 'criminal' to us are the people with capital, not the thief who steals bread or the union who is involved in direct action. So is organized crime not just of our definition.
Sir, we're on a leftist website, no one refers to organized crime as organized crime on the terms of the German State.
Funny how liberal and reactionary words are fine, when you didn't yet critically analyzed them. There is enough by hard written on (organized) crime, there are material analysis possible, there is enough from published from Mexican groups to use alternative framing.
Cartels are neither bad for being criminal, nor for being organized, nor for being organized crime, they are bad for the hurt of individuals, bad for the reactionary violence and anti emancipatory allowances they keep up etc. but nothing of it is cause of them being organized crime, except in the sense that capitalist enterprise that uses (alternative) state violence to control nodes of production, the sphere of circulation and so on and so on.
Marx did show how organized violence and organized crimes (in relation to the laws of the predecessors) is what constituted a good part of the primitive accumulation, of colonialism and also on the advanced capitalist mode as found in the 'most developed' nations of Europe (not in a positive sense of progress, but an Marxist one in relation to industrialised capitalist production).
It's well known that the German State can suck my whole ass. Stop saying fucking mexican cartels are demonized victims, ffs.
There is no difference between any kind of criminals actually, everyone is just labeled by the state.
There are criminals by the state and criminals against the people
ok lol so what was the point of replying to someone talking about criminals against the people by pointing out that sometimes the state also labels people criminals?
Crimes against "the" people aren't the same as crimes against people. Crimes against individuals are only crimes against the people insomatch as they are counter revolutionary.
There is a type of liberalism that is adherence to legalism.
issuing correction on a previous post of mine, regarding Mexican drug cartels. you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them"
Yeah, I’m gonna say cartels shouldn’t get even critical support. Until they deal with American cops
I was really disappointed that nobody took on that cartel guy's $6 million bounty on Trump's head
issuing correction on a previous post of mine, regarding the Jalisco Cartel. you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them"
The special anti organized crime squads in New York were horrible monsters and racists. I am glad they don't exist in the old way.
Similar I don't trust those squads are only angels.
That said we can acknowledge that people on the countries are often no friends of cartel or police. The solution isn't hyping local cops, if the structure that enables the cartels is to a good part the imperialist capitalist US hegemon which taught the torture in the first place and shields some cartel functionaries or the other.
The worst monsters are the CIA/US military and such, not cartels, even if it were a competition.
School of the America's, operation phoenix, French doctrine
The vast majority of the cartels in mexico are funded by the CIA
Yes. Which is what makes those worse (and I think it is important to highlight the culprits - though the systemic analysis is important, too)
Have you ever heard of these people who fought the French army to reclaim their territory? They were called "Nazis".
By all means let them fight, but each of these entities is an organization that extorts and terrorizes the common people.
Best way forward is what Cherán did: kick out the cartels, AND the police, AND the bourgeois parties, because their corruption is connected.
The Zapatistas also do a good job of keeping cartels out, though I'm not sure how appealing Chiapas is to the cartels.
I think the cartels get all the territory they can; Chiapas is not appealing thanks to the Zapatistas.
It's clearly a joke, but when you have friends who told you of the time 30 corpses were thrown in the town main square as a "peaceful message" to the people to not interfere, it's not funny.
Anyways, we all joke about critical support to really shitty people all the time, and nobody take it seriously.
I usually hate the dumb bullshit about "violence fetish" aimed at communists but some of the shit said on this site is literally just fetishising brutality and violence as long as there is the slightest excuse of being anti-state or "revolutionary".
