Washington has effectively built a fortress to keep out Chinese EVs. Former President Donald Trump imposed a 25% tax on Chinese auto imports. President Biden backed that policy and went further, denying them “Buy America” credits that can reduce consumers’ price tag by thousands of dollars.

These steps have made it virtually impossible for Chinese automakers to compete with vehicles built in the U.S. or imported from friendly nations, even as they rapidly penetrate other markets.

So powerful is the Chinese automakers’ push that some U.S. officials say even the significant U.S. trade barriers might not be enough, going forward, to keep them out of American markets and protect domestic manufacturers. U.S. officials point to massive subsidies China has shelled out to prop up its EV supply chains, which they say allow Chinese makers to sell their products at unfairly low prices.

“China is determined to dominate the electric-vehicle market by using unfair trade practices, but I will not let them,” Biden told auto-union workers in Illinois earlier this month. “I promise you.”

lmao, maybe the car manufacturers should design cheaper vehicles and pay workers the same amount

China is on its way to becoming the world’s largest auto exporter this year, replacing Japan. It builds roughly two-thirds of all electric vehicles globally and the biggest Chinese EV maker, BYD, made 1.9 million vehicles last year, more than Tesla’s 1.4 million, according to the companies.

“Picture a modern day Godizilla with the power to trample on and destroy anything that gets on his path,” said Michael Dunne, chief executive of ZoZo Go, an advisory company specializing in the Chinese EV industry. He counts more than 100 countries where Chinese EVs are sold. “The only market where Chinese have not yet really begun a big assault is right here in the United States.”

xi-plz

Some U.S. lawmakers and policy makers want to keep it that way and are calling on the Biden administration to consider further expanding tariffs on Chinese autos.

“It is a matter of time before PRC manufacturers will be able to absorb the additional 25% tariff,” wrote members of the House Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party, including Chairman Mike Gallagher (R. Wis) and top Democrat Raja Krishnamoorthi of Illinois, in a letter to U.S. Trade Representative Katherine Tai this month. PRC is the acronym for People’s Republic of China.

Biden administration officials, meanwhile, say they have learned hard lessons from China’s rise to dominate American manufacturers in industries such as solar panels and steel.

The U.S. Trade Representative’s office is staying vigilant against the threat of Chinese EVs flooding the U.S. market, said Brian Janovitz, the agency’s chief counsel for China trade enforcement. “We’ve learned from past experience that if you wait for a lot of imports to swamp the market…it also becomes much more difficult to defend against that threat,” he said on an August panel.

Higher tariffs could receive a mixed reception among U.S. automakers. They are eager to see U.S. government policies slow the rise of the Chinese EV industry but are also wary of the possibility that Chinese officials could retaliate with their own tariffs, as China represents the second-largest market for U.S. branded vehicles.

Complicating matters is the fact that China has built dominant supply chains for EV batteries and the minerals used to make them. U.S. automakers will inevitably rely on these supplies as they increase their own EV manufacturing to meet the Biden administration’s goal of reducing carbon emissions, said John Bozzella, who heads Alliance for Automotive Innovation, an industry group whose members include Ford Motor and General Motors.

“China has a 10- to 15-year head start in the EV industry,” Bozzella said.

Among China’s biggest overseas targets has been Europe. BYD’s popular Atto 3 SUV, a global bestseller that comes with an advanced driving-assistant system and heated seats, is offered at €39,500, or about $43,000. Also popular is the MG5 EV, a larger “estate car” built by a former British brand now owned by Chinese state-owned SAIC Motor. Its price starts from €35,395, or $38,500.

In the U.S., the average EV sale price was $53,469 in July, according to Cox Automotive.

The EU has so far maintained an import tariff of 10%. In October, the bloc launched an investigation into whether to raise the tariffs, alleging that Chinese vehicles are sold typically 20% below EU-made models because of Chinese government subsidies. The Chinese share of its market, the EU said, has recently risen to 8% from 1% and could soar to 25% by 2025.

Liu Pengyu, Chinese Embassy spokesman in Washington, said the U.S.’s policies discriminate against other countries’ EV industries, undermining fair competition. “We will closely follow the developments and firmly safeguard our rights and interests,” he said. Meanwhile, Chinese automakers are preparing to assemble EVs in or near the U.S. to avoid the tariffs. Polestar, a luxury EV brand owned by Chinese automaker Geely and its Volvo unit, plans to start production in South Carolina next year. Another Chinese auto manufacturer, Chery, is building a plant in Mexico, and BYD and SAIC-owned MG are ramping up their presence in that country.

Analysts expect the Chinese automakers’ export push to become even more aggressive because the companies have built up a huge capacity for producing vehicles and batteries. Wendy Cutler, vice president of Asia Society Policy Institute think tank, said China has the ability to produce some 10 million autos after meeting its domestic demand for 26 million vehicles a year. Whether the world can absorb all that production remains an open question.

“All the signs of our market being flooded are there,” she said.

  • barrbaric [he/him]
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    10 months ago

    The US 30 years ago: "We are going to move all of our production to China."

    The US Now: "CHINA IS CHEATING THEY HAVE ALL THE MANUFACTURING"

    • kristina [she/her]
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      10 months ago

      us now: "OH FUCK I FORGOT THEY SAID THEY WERE COMMUNISTS"

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        10 months ago

        "Oh God oh fuck why are they so good at this?! It's like they've studied capitalism closely or something!"

    • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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      10 months ago

      As usual, the only way to justify false scarcity is through ethnic nationalism. How could Trump do this. Smdh

  • EnsignRedshirt [he/him]
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    10 months ago

    Higher tariffs could receive a mixed reception among U.S. automakers. They are eager to see U.S. government policies slow the rise of the Chinese EV industry but are also wary of the possibility that Chinese officials could retaliate with their own tariffs, as China represents the second-largest market for U.S. branded vehicles.

    It is very funny to see Americans grappling with the concept of competition in real-time with such earnestness. Like “the weirdest thing happened to me the other day: I had this slice of cake, right, but then I ate the cake and then I didn’t have it anymore? WTF?”

  • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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    10 months ago

    China is determined to dominate the electric-vehicle market by using unfair trade practices, but I will not let them

    What practices are these?

    The U.S. Trade Representative’s office is staying vigilant against the threat of Chinese EVs flooding the U.S. market

    Threat of what? Your still haven't told us why we dont want these cars

    It's a racism thing isn't it?

    • barrbaric [he/him]
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      10 months ago

      What practices are these?

      Providing subsidies to EV manufacturers. The US does this as well (google says Tesla has received $2.8B total), and they're just being racist.

      Threat of what? Your still haven't told us why we dont want these cars

      It's implied that if Chinese manufacturers take over the market, then good white AMERICAN 🦅 jobs at Ford, GM, etc will dry up as the US manufacturer's fold. Basically trying to use racism to stoke (further) resentment of China in the white AMERICAN 🦅 working class.

      EDIT: Also I love how in general this article is just "okay so we're doing protectionism but it isn't enough, we need SUPER PROTECTIONISM"

      • Coolkidbozzy [he/him]
        hexagon
        ·
        10 months ago

        according to google, Chinese EV manufacturers have received $56B in subsidies from 2016-2022

          • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
            ·
            10 months ago

            One of the funny things to emerge from the Ukraine War, the Microchip War, and now the EV War are articles from American publications talking about basic industrial policy like some sort of lost art or forbidden magick.

            • huf [he/him]
              ·
              10 months ago

              industrial policy is supposed to just emerge from the free market sweaty, the state actually taking a hand in securing its future is communism!

    • Coolkidbozzy [he/him]
      hexagon
      ·
      10 months ago

      inventing new types of racism to please the most important voting blocs: car dealership owners, oil tycoons, and elon musk. thanks biden

      • invo_rt [he/him]
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        10 months ago

        elon musk

        I was watching a walk around video from somewhere and China and the cameraperson walked right past the biggest Tesla charging station I've seen sicko-wistful

        • Bassword
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          10 months ago

          deleted by creator

          • invo_rt [he/him]
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            10 months ago

            That was my assumption and I'm glad to hear it. I just don't want that dumbass getting paid.

  • Melonius [he/him]
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    10 months ago

    “Picture a modern day Godizilla with the power to trample on and destroy anything that gets on his path,” said Michael Dunne, chief executive of ZoZo Go, an advisory company specializing in the Chinese EV industry. He counts more than 100 countries where Chinese EVs are sold. “The only market where Chinese have not yet really begun a big assault is right here in the United States.”

    Affordable vehicles? No no no imagine a uhh big stinky poop that's what it actually is.

    • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]
      ·
      10 months ago

      “Picture a modern day Godizilla with the power to trample on and destroy anything that gets on his path,”

      Yes, yes, I'm familiar with SUVs and their drivers.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        10 months ago

        “Picture a modern day Godizilla with the power to trample on and destroy anything that gets on his path,”

        Yes, yes, I'm familiar with SUVs and their drivers.

        Describing them that way would only turn them on. grillman

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
            ·
            10 months ago

            That or a magically empty road to swerve around in while the narrator talks about the life changing epiphanies of the bold innovative impactful leader of the pack that bought the treat.

            The fact that most roads are not that empty only adds to their road rage. grill-broke

            • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]
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              10 months ago

              So you're telling me is they haven't changed at all since the last time I saw a commercial in the 2000s. That's kind of disappointing but not entirely unexpected.

              • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                10 months ago

                If the TVs in doctor offices and bank/government lines are any indication, the 2000s are apparently forever. debord-tired

                  • UlyssesT [he/him]
                    ·
                    10 months ago

                    What are car commercials like in places like unblocked Youtube ads? I sure don't know. I only see the boomer ads when I have to.

                    • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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                      10 months ago

                      Only ones I've ever seen are static text ads for used vehicles, probably because I've sold used vehicles before through autotrader and other sites. Those pretty much just list the make/model and price. I've never gotten a car ad on YouTube, though I've gotten a billion auto insurance ads which are always smarmy meme-y "clever" annoying and random sketches.

                      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                        10 months ago

                        If there's a non-boomer way to sell a car to people on a screen, I haven't seen it.

                        • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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                          10 months ago

                          Picture of car, make/model/condition, price. Simple text and picture ad.

                          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                            10 months ago

                            Yeah but is that done as an intermission of a video or a show? What are those like now when they're not dentist, doctor office, or bank TVs?

                            • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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                              10 months ago

                              Oh I saw these on like google, craigslist, instagram, facebook or forums or something. Does that not count as on a screen?

                              In terms of ads in dentists/doctors offices, who cares about selling cars in dentist offices? I can't imagine the return on that is any good anyway. It's going to die off with the boomers

                              • UlyssesT [he/him]
                                ·
                                10 months ago

                                I mean, outside of boomer TV, if that really means car commercials no longer exist as I have known them, great.

                • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]
                  ·
                  10 months ago

                  They don't really do that where I live which is cool. There is like one billboard that I somewhat regularly see and it's for the car dealership. Like it's just reminding people that, "Yes there is a car dealership here. You don't actually have to leave the province to go to a car dealership"

                  • UlyssesT [he/him]
                    ·
                    10 months ago

                    That sounds relatively pleasant.

                    I sometimes miss the "THIS MUCH HORSE POWER, FOUR WHEEL DRIVE, GET 100 DOLLARS CASH BACK FREE BALLOONS FOR YOUR KIDS" era of car advertising because it was more bubbly and less pretentious.

    • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
      ·
      10 months ago

      Oh you aren't scared of the Chinese? Ok, imagine they're a giant monster coming to crush you! Rawwwr!

  • DickFuckarelli [he/him]
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    10 months ago

    If the PRC have a 10-15 year headstart on EVs, who's fucking fault is that? The US public has begged for fuel efficiency through 2-3 oil and gas crises since 2002. And instead we've had automakers shove SUVs with heated seats and steering wheels down our throats.

    • Assian_Candor [comrade/them]
      ·
      10 months ago

      That’s where the demand is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Just look at the prices of used suvs vs used small hybrids. The former are at like 30% even with 100k+ miles and the latter are basically zero.

      We need regulation but… lol

      • Nationalgoatism [he/him]
        ·
        10 months ago

        A big part of that is because most all small hybrids on the US market are built like crap and severely over engineered (which is also true of pretty much all gas cars, but it's even worse with the hybrids). When they inevitable break down they are obnoxious as hell to repair and frequently get scrapped, with their absurd engine layout and tiny hood, excessively complicated electronics which continuously break and also fucking cvt transmissions. I fucking hate the auto industry.

  • Elon_Musk [none/use name]
    ·
    10 months ago

    Cuba, but instead of 1950's land barges you're stuck with trucks and SUV's with ever increasing belt and hood lines that start at $50k

    • PaulSmackage [he/him, comrade/them]
      ·
      10 months ago

      One of the best cars i saw in Cuba wasn't one of the flashy, vintage tourist cars, but an 80s or 90s dually pickup with a repurposed chevy badge on the front and a pic of maradona overlayed over the back window.

  • GarfieldYaoi [he/him]
    ·
    10 months ago

    "You see, we can't have universal healthcare in the US because in this country, we believe the free market is sacred!....Unless you're doing something we don't like, of course."

  • LesbianLiberty [she/her]
    ·
    10 months ago

    Bro lemme just buy one of those 2k$ electric cars, I need something for when it gets cold and they're perfect, hate this protectionism shit. LET ME HAVE A SILLY LITTLE BABY CAR

  • Maoo [none/use name]
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    10 months ago

    US gonna make and sell its own cars to itself in an increasingly financialized way. Every generation getting more and more jealous that in China you just buy a car at 1/10 your yearly salary and then you have a car, whereas in the US you take on debt of 3/4 your yearly salary for a car that limits its own range and acceleration behind paywalls while selling your location and sneeze frequency data to the cops and ad corps.