Wow i can’t quite put my finger on why Lenin is disliked in anarchist circles, he never gave any reason for that. Neither did Stalin, nor Castro, right? I don’t get it why it’s so surprising that anarchists look with suspicion at people who idolize leaders who repressed anarchists.
Dislike =/= specificaly holding an opinion on Lenin/Castro being totallitarian dictators. Bonus points for the opinion of them being no different than the rest. Also positive opinion =/= idolizing.
“Everyone who approves of the atrocities committed against anarchists Stalin, Mao, Castro ,USSR, China committed isnt a comrade or a leftist but a red fascist and Lenin was a totallitarian dictator”. Which some MLs seem to understand somehow.
Thats your take, not the subreddit's and even then by extension its the opinion of these projects and leaders being red fascist and you are not a leftist if you disapprove the aspects that had to do with the most supression of anarchists . Really the expectation to not be considered an enemy isnt just disagreement with most of the supression of anarchists . That any ML that doesnt agree with lets say how kronstadt was handled but still judges the majority of Lenin, Mao, Stalin ,China the USSR as a positive and upholds them and the ideology is workable. The expectation is the absence of any of that and the rejection of them. Also this is isnt finding some common ground and the side most at fault admitting mistakes. Its dogmaticaly adopting a blanket statement for hundreds of conflicts around history as it being the totallitarian black and white aggression of one side (which i admit holds the majority of the blame). Just couse anarchists will hold that as historical and just because its actually easily closer to the truth than the "lmao trotsky did nothing wrong get dubbed anarchists" take it doesnt mean that especially case by case there isnt a more ,and im sad to say this, centrist and nuanced historical truth. I do believe that something like the purges of thousands of anarchists as counterrevolutionaries under stalin is a much,much more one sided blame and no context needed than something like the Spanish civil War.
Maybe it is, but then again ML leaders going at the throat of anarchists projects all the time is anticommunism as well, somehow this never gets mentioned in the context of anticommunism.
Again im not here to argue history. Simple truth is that begining your unmovable position that must be accepted at "MLs unilateraly initiated black and white violence at anarchist projects all the time" you set your self up for any disagreement to be interpreted as "supporting the slaughter and repression of anarchists/agreeing with it on principle". Personaly i think that i dont need even a couple of fingers to count any instances of "mls being by far in the wrong went at the throat and ruined any anarchist project just cause they were anarchists" and even find examples of the opposite that wouldnt fit a "justified anarchist freedom fghters against the totallitarian state" easy way out of being anti-communist, even if i would need a thousand arms to count any unjust supression of an anarchist under an ML project. So again self flagellation after accepting a disney villain like description of any and all possible anarchist-ml violent conflicts in history isnt happening and even if it was it wouldnt be enough ,not for normal anarchists, but for thr specific online community we are talking about
Dislike =/= specificaly holding an opinion on Lenin/Castro being totallitarian dictators. Bonus points for the opinion of them being no different than the rest. Also positive opinion =/= idolizing.
Thats your take, not the subreddit's and even then by extension its the opinion of these projects and leaders being red fascist and you are not a leftist if you disapprove the aspects that had to do with the most supression of anarchists . Really the expectation to not be considered an enemy isnt just disagreement with most of the supression of anarchists . That any ML that doesnt agree with lets say how kronstadt was handled but still judges the majority of Lenin, Mao, Stalin ,China the USSR as a positive and upholds them and the ideology is workable. The expectation is the absence of any of that and the rejection of them. Also this is isnt finding some common ground and the side most at fault admitting mistakes. Its dogmaticaly adopting a blanket statement for hundreds of conflicts around history as it being the totallitarian black and white aggression of one side (which i admit holds the majority of the blame). Just couse anarchists will hold that as historical and just because its actually easily closer to the truth than the "lmao trotsky did nothing wrong get dubbed anarchists" take it doesnt mean that especially case by case there isnt a more ,and im sad to say this, centrist and nuanced historical truth. I do believe that something like the purges of thousands of anarchists as counterrevolutionaries under stalin is a much,much more one sided blame and no context needed than something like the Spanish civil War.
Again im not here to argue history. Simple truth is that begining your unmovable position that must be accepted at "MLs unilateraly initiated black and white violence at anarchist projects all the time" you set your self up for any disagreement to be interpreted as "supporting the slaughter and repression of anarchists/agreeing with it on principle". Personaly i think that i dont need even a couple of fingers to count any instances of "mls being by far in the wrong went at the throat and ruined any anarchist project just cause they were anarchists" and even find examples of the opposite that wouldnt fit a "justified anarchist freedom fghters against the totallitarian state" easy way out of being anti-communist, even if i would need a thousand arms to count any unjust supression of an anarchist under an ML project. So again self flagellation after accepting a disney villain like description of any and all possible anarchist-ml violent conflicts in history isnt happening and even if it was it wouldnt be enough ,not for normal anarchists, but for thr specific online community we are talking about