you're not actually serious, are you?The genome of manufactured organisms/viruses looks very different than that of ones that arise through natural selection. There are certain markers that will almost definiely give i away. Covid had no signs of being engineered. And something like "Well maybe they engineered it to make it look natural" is basically the same as saying "Maybe NASA built an actual rocket that had the capability of going to the moon, in order to fake the moon landing"
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but a dude named Ralph Baric developed a technique to hide any traces of engineering. It's called the "no-see'm" technique:
Not only that, but they’d figured out how to perform their assembly seamlessly, without any signs of human handiwork. Nobody would know if the virus had been fabricated in a laboratory or grown in nature. Baric called this the “no-see’m method,” and he asserted that it had “broad and largely unappreciated molecular biology applications.” (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html)
Also, this dude is super tied to the military bioweapon industrial complex, including Fort Detrick: https://soundcloud.com/media-roots/libs-love-lab-leak-geopolitical-sting-op-the-wuhan-coincidence-w-gumby4christ (@59:10)
@GalacticFederation I think you might find the links I posted above interesting.
Yeah, there is. A engineered organism will show signs of "intelligent design", the genetic differences will be specifically just the ones chosen with intent to certain things. Evolutionary developed organisms are naturally selected random mutations that just happen to "work better", not necessarily best or well thought out. For example, there's no reason why a genetically engineered organism would have changes made it the 99% of its DNA (or RNA in this case) that's non-coding. Whereas evolution would collect changes to that 99% of its DNA along with any other beneficial changes to the coding part thats only 1% of its genome.
If it came from a lab, it could probably be mutated from SARS-COV-1 or MERS-COV, as both of those were the most notable viruses that would be being studied in a lab. Instead, the virus appeared to come from the same lineage as wild viruses in the area. There's obviously a CHANCE that it could have by coincidence acquired all those same mutations as the wild population, but its so ridiculously small that it can be thrown out as signficiantly impossible.
Here's another paper - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7054935/ that specifically talks about COVID-19's unlikelihood of being engineered. The line "The absence of a logical targeted pattern in the new viral sequences and a close relative in a wildlife species (bats) are the most revealing signs that SARS-CoV-2 evolved by natural evolution" stood out to me.
I was expecting you to cite a scientific law that stated “all viruses that leak out of labs can always be detected”, an impossible bar for you to pass, as there is no such law.
I don’t know why you bothered frantically searching for that. It has nothing to do with what we’re talking about.
A scientific law? What the fuck are you talking about? I mean you could be sure with 5 sigma orso that an entity with this genome was designed by a person with a certain intent, or was the product of natural evolution. There's no such thing as knowing with absolute certainty in any kind of science, all you can do is reject the null hypothesis with n degrees of confidence. In this case, you can reject that SARS-Cov-19 was developed by artificial genetic manufacture within an acceptable degree of certainty.
Jesus bad faith much? Asking for sources and then not even waiting 10 minutes before going "see this guy doesn't have any sources." Cool your jets, not everyone is as terminally online as you are, I've sent you one, and yes its from before COVID was a thing so its not "tainted by any poltics that might have" or whatever
you're not actually serious, are you?The genome of manufactured organisms/viruses looks very different than that of ones that arise through natural selection. There are certain markers that will almost definiely give i away. Covid had no signs of being engineered. And something like "Well maybe they engineered it to make it look natural" is basically the same as saying "Maybe NASA built an actual rocket that had the capability of going to the moon, in order to fake the moon landing"
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but a dude named Ralph Baric developed a technique to hide any traces of engineering. It's called the "no-see'm" technique:
Also, this dude is super tied to the military bioweapon industrial complex, including Fort Detrick: https://soundcloud.com/media-roots/libs-love-lab-leak-geopolitical-sting-op-the-wuhan-coincidence-w-gumby4christ (@59:10)
@GalacticFederation I think you might find the links I posted above interesting.
I found that very interesting!
I saw your post on the front page and logged in just to upvote it, amazing stuff, thanks!
That’s not true at all. What’s your source for this?
Yeah, there is. A engineered organism will show signs of "intelligent design", the genetic differences will be specifically just the ones chosen with intent to certain things. Evolutionary developed organisms are naturally selected random mutations that just happen to "work better", not necessarily best or well thought out. For example, there's no reason why a genetically engineered organism would have changes made it the 99% of its DNA (or RNA in this case) that's non-coding. Whereas evolution would collect changes to that 99% of its DNA along with any other beneficial changes to the coding part thats only 1% of its genome.
Coming from a lab doesn't necessarily mean it was actively engineered. What's to stop it mutating naturally within a lab culture?
The preson I responded to specifically used the term "manufactured"
In our discipline, everything cultured is manufactured, and the manufactured is the organic.
If it came from a lab, it could probably be mutated from SARS-COV-1 or MERS-COV, as both of those were the most notable viruses that would be being studied in a lab. Instead, the virus appeared to come from the same lineage as wild viruses in the area. There's obviously a CHANCE that it could have by coincidence acquired all those same mutations as the wild population, but its so ridiculously small that it can be thrown out as signficiantly impossible.
Calm down and cite sources.
Here's another paper - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7054935/ that specifically talks about COVID-19's unlikelihood of being engineered. The line "The absence of a logical targeted pattern in the new viral sequences and a close relative in a wildlife species (bats) are the most revealing signs that SARS-CoV-2 evolved by natural evolution" stood out to me.
https://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/gb-2008-9-3-r56
I was expecting you to cite a scientific law that stated “all viruses that leak out of labs can always be detected”, an impossible bar for you to pass, as there is no such law.
I don’t know why you bothered frantically searching for that. It has nothing to do with what we’re talking about.
A scientific law? What the fuck are you talking about? I mean you could be sure with 5 sigma orso that an entity with this genome was designed by a person with a certain intent, or was the product of natural evolution. There's no such thing as knowing with absolute certainty in any kind of science, all you can do is reject the null hypothesis with n degrees of confidence. In this case, you can reject that SARS-Cov-19 was developed by artificial genetic manufacture within an acceptable degree of certainty.
Calling for sources sounds like fed posting.
That sounds silly.
Got a source for that?
Neither you nor the other poster have stated anything that precludes COVID-19 from being released from a lab, and yes I do have sources for that.
Don’t change the argument. I want a source on silliness.
Jesus bad faith much? Asking for sources and then not even waiting 10 minutes before going "see this guy doesn't have any sources." Cool your jets, not everyone is as terminally online as you are, I've sent you one, and yes its from before COVID was a thing so its not "tainted by any poltics that might have" or whatever
You sound stressed.
Mods this guy wont provide sources and is tone policing now. Clearly a wrecker.
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I think in light of what has been posted, you ought to reflect on the cognitive biases that lead to you to conceit and bad science.
Thanks.