The USA trying to manufacture a deadly bioweapon to unleash on the Chinese, and then having them deftly eradicate it within two months, only for it to ravage every capitalist country on the planet is undeniably hilarious.
is there any evidence for this? it seems like a bullshit theory cooked up out of spite, instead of cooked up out of racism like the wuhan lab leak theory. isn’t it far more likely that the virus just emerged naturally somewhere in the world through transmission from an animal, like every other coronavirus?
The Fairfax County Health Department reported a mysterious respiratory outbreak in the Greenspring Retirement Home in Fairfax Virginia on July 11th, 2019
https://abcnews.go.com/US/respiratory-outbreak-investigated-retirement-community-54-residents-fall/story?id=64275865
One day later, the CDC begins an inspection and fully shuts down Fort Detrick under a set of extraordinary circumstances that could have only involved extreme threat to human life. Full suspensions happen when “a departure from the SAR is found to human, animal, and or plant health, or to public safety.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html
The statement said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention decided to issue a “cease and desist order” last month to halt the research at Fort Detrick because the center did not have “sufficient systems in place to decontaminate wastewater” from its highest-security labs.
https://archive.is/dHGBw
The two breaches reported by USAMRIID to the CDC demonstrated a failure of the Army laboratory to "implement and maintain containment procedures sufficient to contain select agents or toxins" that were made by operations in biosafety level 3 and 4 laboratories, according to the report. Biosafety level 3 and 4 are the highest levels of containment, requiring special protective equipment, air flow and standard operating procedures.
Due to redactions to protect against notification of the release of an agent under the Federal Select Agent Program, it is unclear the result of the two breaches.
The report includes a large section redacted to protect against the release of a report or inspection of a specific registered person that would endanger public health or safety.
you're not actually serious, are you?The genome of manufactured organisms/viruses looks very different than that of ones that arise through natural selection. There are certain markers that will almost definiely give i away. Covid had no signs of being engineered. And something like "Well maybe they engineered it to make it look natural" is basically the same as saying "Maybe NASA built an actual rocket that had the capability of going to the moon, in order to fake the moon landing"
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but a dude named Ralph Baric developed a technique to hide any traces of engineering. It's called the "no-see'm" technique:
Not only that, but they’d figured out how to perform their assembly seamlessly, without any signs of human handiwork. Nobody would know if the virus had been fabricated in a laboratory or grown in nature. Baric called this the “no-see’m method,” and he asserted that it had “broad and largely unappreciated molecular biology applications.” (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html)
Also, this dude is super tied to the military bioweapon industrial complex, including Fort Detrick: https://soundcloud.com/media-roots/libs-love-lab-leak-geopolitical-sting-op-the-wuhan-coincidence-w-gumby4christ (@59:10)
@GalacticFederation I think you might find the links I posted above interesting.
I found that very interesting!
I saw your post on the front page and logged in just to upvote it, amazing stuff, thanks!
Covid had no signs of being engineered
That’s not true at all. What’s your source for this?
Yeah, there is. A engineered organism will show signs of "intelligent design", the genetic differences will be specifically just the ones chosen with intent to certain things. Evolutionary developed organisms are naturally selected random mutations that just happen to "work better", not necessarily best or well thought out. For example, there's no reason why a genetically engineered organism would have changes made it the 99% of its DNA (or RNA in this case) that's non-coding. Whereas evolution would collect changes to that 99% of its DNA along with any other beneficial changes to the coding part thats only 1% of its genome.
Coming from a lab doesn't necessarily mean it was actively engineered. What's to stop it mutating naturally within a lab culture?
The preson I responded to specifically used the term "manufactured"
In our discipline, everything cultured is manufactured, and the manufactured is the organic.
If it came from a lab, it could probably be mutated from SARS-COV-1 or MERS-COV, as both of those were the most notable viruses that would be being studied in a lab. Instead, the virus appeared to come from the same lineage as wild viruses in the area. There's obviously a CHANCE that it could have by coincidence acquired all those same mutations as the wild population, but its so ridiculously small that it can be thrown out as signficiantly impossible.
Here's another paper - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7054935/ that specifically talks about COVID-19's unlikelihood of being engineered. The line "The absence of a logical targeted pattern in the new viral sequences and a close relative in a wildlife species (bats) are the most revealing signs that SARS-CoV-2 evolved by natural evolution" stood out to me.
https://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/gb-2008-9-3-r56
I was expecting you to cite a scientific law that stated “all viruses that leak out of labs can always be detected”, an impossible bar for you to pass, as there is no such law.
I don’t know why you bothered frantically searching for that. It has nothing to do with what we’re talking about.
A scientific law? What the fuck are you talking about? I mean you could be sure with 5 sigma orso that an entity with this genome was designed by a person with a certain intent, or was the product of natural evolution. There's no such thing as knowing with absolute certainty in any kind of science, all you can do is reject the null hypothesis with n degrees of confidence. In this case, you can reject that SARS-Cov-19 was developed by artificial genetic manufacture within an acceptable degree of certainty.
Neither you nor the other poster have stated anything that precludes COVID-19 from being released from a lab, and yes I do have sources for that.
Jesus bad faith much? Asking for sources and then not even waiting 10 minutes before going "see this guy doesn't have any sources." Cool your jets, not everyone is as terminally online as you are, I've sent you one, and yes its from before COVID was a thing so its not "tainted by any poltics that might have" or whatever
Mods this guy wont provide sources and is tone policing now. Clearly a wrecker.
I think in light of what has been posted, you ought to reflect on the cognitive biases that lead to you to conceit and bad science.
Thanks.
im sorry but i can't believe that a nation founded by folks who gave blankets infected with small pox to indigenous peoples would do such a thing
The US nearly killed the Prime Ministers of the UK, Canada, the President of Brazil... I’ve lost track of how many world leaders, their spouses and children, millions of people... Not to mention what they’ve done to India.
:amerikkka:
my parents both got COVID in early December 2019 before we knew what COVID was, had all the symptoms
Someone on here called me anti-vaxx like a week or two ago because I said the Wuhan lab leak theory sounded like bullshit. Not sure if that was a wrecker or the rare liberal who wandered in.
Sheesh they could've at least called you a see see pee shill.
They told me that it's common anti-vaxx propaganda to say that the virus came from anywhere but the wuhan lab.
Yeah it had me confused too. You'd think the anti-vaxx types would be pushing the wuhan lab angle because of war with China. But then again libs want Biden to go after China too, so both have a stake in it.
Up until about April 2020, or maybe May 2020, if memory serves... nobody was able to get a test unless they had been to China.
Through negligence, incompetence, a lack of testing reagents, and a protocol seemingly designed to conceal domestic transmission, the real numbers were well hidden.
I have no knowledge when it comes to virology, but is it possible that there was a less virulent strain in circulation in those earlier months? I'm assuming that if there was, there would be evidence affirming it, right?
I had a horrible case of "pneumonia" about a week before the official first COViD cases happened in my area. It was before they really had any testing available. Considering I work in the service industry, there's no telling where I actually caught it or if it was actually pneumonia or not. I do know, however, that couple of other friends who I worked with also got really bad respiratory things around the same time as mine, so I don't doubt that COVID was floating around before it was actually a thing.
