• Uncle [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    The USA trying to manufacture a deadly bioweapon to unleash on the Chinese, and then having them deftly eradicate it within two months, only for it to ravage every capitalist country on the planet is undeniably hilarious.

    • FLAMING_AUBURN_LOCKS [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      is there any evidence for this? it seems like a bullshit theory cooked up out of spite, instead of cooked up out of racism like the wuhan lab leak theory. isn’t it far more likely that the virus just emerged naturally somewhere in the world through transmission from an animal, like every other coronavirus?

      • GalacticFederation [none/use name]
        hexagon
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        4 years ago

        The Fairfax County Health Department reported a mysterious respiratory outbreak in the Greenspring Retirement Home in Fairfax Virginia on July 11th, 2019

        https://abcnews.go.com/US/respiratory-outbreak-investigated-retirement-community-54-residents-fall/story?id=64275865

        One day later, the CDC begins an inspection and fully shuts down Fort Detrick under a set of extraordinary circumstances that could have only involved extreme threat to human life. Full suspensions happen when “a departure from the SAR is found to human, animal, and or plant health, or to public safety.”

        https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

        The statement said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention decided to issue a “cease and desist order” last month to halt the research at Fort Detrick because the center did not have “sufficient systems in place to decontaminate wastewater” from its highest-security labs.

        https://archive.is/dHGBw

        The two breaches reported by USAMRIID to the CDC demonstrated a failure of the Army laboratory to "implement and maintain containment procedures sufficient to contain select agents or toxins" that were made by operations in biosafety level 3 and 4 laboratories, according to the report. Biosafety level 3 and 4 are the highest levels of containment, requiring special protective equipment, air flow and standard operating procedures.

        Due to redactions to protect against notification of the release of an agent under the Federal Select Agent Program, it is unclear the result of the two breaches.

        The report includes a large section redacted to protect against the release of a report or inspection of a specific registered person that would endanger public health or safety.

        • Whorish_Ooze [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          you're not actually serious, are you?The genome of manufactured organisms/viruses looks very different than that of ones that arise through natural selection. There are certain markers that will almost definiely give i away. Covid had no signs of being engineered. And something like "Well maybe they engineered it to make it look natural" is basically the same as saying "Maybe NASA built an actual rocket that had the capability of going to the moon, in order to fake the moon landing"

          • queenjamie [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but a dude named Ralph Baric developed a technique to hide any traces of engineering. It's called the "no-see'm" technique:

            Not only that, but they’d figured out how to perform their assembly seamlessly, without any signs of human handiwork. Nobody would know if the virus had been fabricated in a laboratory or grown in nature. Baric called this the “no-see’m method,” and he asserted that it had “broad and largely unappreciated molecular biology applications.” (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html)

            Also, this dude is super tied to the military bioweapon industrial complex, including Fort Detrick: https://soundcloud.com/media-roots/libs-love-lab-leak-geopolitical-sting-op-the-wuhan-coincidence-w-gumby4christ (@59:10)

            @GalacticFederation I think you might find the links I posted above interesting.

            • GalacticFederation [none/use name]
              hexagon
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              3 years ago

              I found that very interesting!

              I saw your post on the front page and logged in just to upvote it, amazing stuff, thanks!

            • Whorish_Ooze [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              Yeah, there is. A engineered organism will show signs of "intelligent design", the genetic differences will be specifically just the ones chosen with intent to certain things. Evolutionary developed organisms are naturally selected random mutations that just happen to "work better", not necessarily best or well thought out. For example, there's no reason why a genetically engineered organism would have changes made it the 99% of its DNA (or RNA in this case) that's non-coding. Whereas evolution would collect changes to that 99% of its DNA along with any other beneficial changes to the coding part thats only 1% of its genome.

              • Wheaties [she/her]
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                4 years ago

                Coming from a lab doesn't necessarily mean it was actively engineered. What's to stop it mutating naturally within a lab culture?

                • Whorish_Ooze [none/use name]
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                  4 years ago

                  If it came from a lab, it could probably be mutated from SARS-COV-1 or MERS-COV, as both of those were the most notable viruses that would be being studied in a lab. Instead, the virus appeared to come from the same lineage as wild viruses in the area. There's obviously a CHANCE that it could have by coincidence acquired all those same mutations as the wild population, but its so ridiculously small that it can be thrown out as signficiantly impossible.

                • AbbysMuscles [she/her]
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                  4 years ago

                  Here's another paper - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7054935/ that specifically talks about COVID-19's unlikelihood of being engineered. The line "The absence of a logical targeted pattern in the new viral sequences and a close relative in a wildlife species (bats) are the most revealing signs that SARS-CoV-2 evolved by natural evolution" stood out to me.

          • GalacticFederation [none/use name]
            hexagon
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            3 years ago

            I think in light of what has been posted, you ought to reflect on the cognitive biases that lead to you to conceit and bad science.

            Thanks.

        • pumpchilienthusiast [comrade/them, any]
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          4 years ago

          im sorry but i can't believe that a nation founded by folks who gave blankets infected with small pox to indigenous peoples would do such a thing

    • GalacticFederation [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      The US nearly killed the Prime Ministers of the UK, Canada, the President of Brazil... I’ve lost track of how many world leaders, their spouses and children, millions of people... Not to mention what they’ve done to India.

      :amerikkka:

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    my parents both got COVID in early December 2019 before we knew what COVID was, had all the symptoms

    • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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      4 years ago

      Someone on here called me anti-vaxx like a week or two ago because I said the Wuhan lab leak theory sounded like bullshit. Not sure if that was a wrecker or the rare liberal who wandered in.

      • GalacticFederation [none/use name]
        hexagon
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        4 years ago

        Up until about April 2020, or maybe May 2020, if memory serves... nobody was able to get a test unless they had been to China.

        Through negligence, incompetence, a lack of testing reagents, and a protocol seemingly designed to conceal domestic transmission, the real numbers were well hidden.

      • Wordplay [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I have no knowledge when it comes to virology, but is it possible that there was a less virulent strain in circulation in those earlier months? I'm assuming that if there was, there would be evidence affirming it, right?

    • SeizeDameans [she/her,any]
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      4 years ago

      I had a horrible case of "pneumonia" about a week before the official first COViD cases happened in my area. It was before they really had any testing available. Considering I work in the service industry, there's no telling where I actually caught it or if it was actually pneumonia or not. I do know, however, that couple of other friends who I worked with also got really bad respiratory things around the same time as mine, so I don't doubt that COVID was floating around before it was actually a thing.