It will be really interesting to see how the imperial core responds to this. Would a second Cold War work? It's unique from other instances where the U.S. was able to quash communist governments because of China's power and the world's dependency on them.
Cold War worked because USSR was closed to the world. This situation is very different, the neoliberals in their infinite wisdom decided to export the entire means of production out of the imperial core so that there would be no industrial proletariat anymore. This industrial proletariat was the core of the left's organising base, they were incredibly easy to radicalise and organise.
That all resides in China now. China has the entire means of production hostage... And the western countries are reluctant to take it back because it would take a few decades to build it in their own countries again and cause considerable pain. On top of that it would undo a policy that literally helped them fight the left in the core for decades.
I don't think they have any options. They will either have to cave in or go to war.
Say what you will about Dengism, but I think often about what a fucking brilliant move it was to let the shortsighted Yankee capitalists sell you their means of production. Sucks for the left in the imperial core but Chinas global positioning now is much more secure because of their recognition of where power and value actually come from. :denguin:
There's a very special can of brainworms in germany where every once in a while everybody jerks off about some midsized company in the middle of nowhere who make some extremely specialized product that the whole world needs extremely well. Think like, I dunno, Zeiss lenses but usually way more niche. Like you have Karl Müller & Söhne and it's about 15 guys somewhere in eastern germany who basically produce the worlds absolute best ball-bearings which NASA, some militaries and weird hobbyist shell out top dollars for.
There is so many people convinced this will somehow save us as if the problem in china is they're all way too dumb to make a good lense and not just that nobody wants to pay for it and also they get super buttmad when one of these midsized companies sells out production to china as those dastardly chinese don't give too much of a shit about patent law and will just copy it. Which is a correct assessment, really, but somehow it's chinas fault instead of some ghoul cashing out on a respected brand name and destroying the company.
China makes a ton of incredibly specialized shit. If you want a custom done hub-motor, you go to China to get it done. If you want some really specialized lens, China is also a good bet. China is already creeping up the really specialized boutique shit. Like just yesterday a big YT channel wanted to turn an old motorcycle into an ebike, so they called up a factory in China and gave them the specs and they made them a custom-done motor for that exact motorcycle. Or if you need to get a custom battery management IC or motor controller that only you are ever going to use you can often just hit up the factory and they don't even charge that much for custom orders a lot of the time.
What's really dumb about the whole "China makes cheap knockoffs" stereotype is that yeah, of course they do, but they also make all the good shit too. Not China's fault the distributor in America specified to the Chinese factory to cut as many corners as possible so the product can be sold to consoomers at walmart for 3 dollars. It's all confirmation bias because they never look at the origin label on the shit that doesn't break.
I think the next decade or so is when we enter the phase of late stage capitalism where the capitalists just start stripping out all the copper wiring from capitalism. They will be perfectly OK seeing the US collapse so long as either A) there's some place for them to retreat to with all their wealth, or B) they're able to establish a sort of fiefdom that generates income and gives them power within the US. I don't mean a literal fiefdom, but more like "I own 100,000 acres of farmland and 4,000 apartment units spread out across the country that I draw rent from".
Cant be having communism be good no sir
It will be really interesting to see how the imperial core responds to this. Would a second Cold War work? It's unique from other instances where the U.S. was able to quash communist governments because of China's power and the world's dependency on them.
Cold War worked because USSR was closed to the world. This situation is very different, the neoliberals in their infinite wisdom decided to export the entire means of production out of the imperial core so that there would be no industrial proletariat anymore. This industrial proletariat was the core of the left's organising base, they were incredibly easy to radicalise and organise.
That all resides in China now. China has the entire means of production hostage... And the western countries are reluctant to take it back because it would take a few decades to build it in their own countries again and cause considerable pain. On top of that it would undo a policy that literally helped them fight the left in the core for decades.
I don't think they have any options. They will either have to cave in or go to war.
Say what you will about Dengism, but I think often about what a fucking brilliant move it was to let the shortsighted Yankee capitalists sell you their means of production. Sucks for the left in the imperial core but Chinas global positioning now is much more secure because of their recognition of where power and value actually come from. :denguin:
and did not capitalism demand this course itself ,.. its perfect.... Capitalsit logic say give the communist the means of production.. lol-...
when it was said that The Capitalists Will Sell Us the Rope with Which We Will Hang Them they meant sell :deng-cowboy:
It’s not like they can just push the “Restart Manufacture” button.
It’s weird to me how it seems america or western countries straight up forgot how manufacture works.
It's so fucking funny that the US really was like, "Yeah, we don't need this shit anymore. WE'RE FUCKING RICHER THAN GOD!"
And now they're shidding themselves because China basically produces everything for everyone on earth.
[ LAUGHS IN CAPITALISM ]
china becomes an economic superpower by having the whole world come to you for manufacturing
[ LAUGHING STOPS ]
"We will sell them the rope to hang themselves." :xi-lib-tears:
the Captialist: Quickly! Turn the dial back to Manufactoring!
the other Capitalist: There’s no more switch, we sold it for scrap!
:sicko-no:
Meanwhile
:xicko:
There's a very special can of brainworms in germany where every once in a while everybody jerks off about some midsized company in the middle of nowhere who make some extremely specialized product that the whole world needs extremely well. Think like, I dunno, Zeiss lenses but usually way more niche. Like you have Karl Müller & Söhne and it's about 15 guys somewhere in eastern germany who basically produce the worlds absolute best ball-bearings which NASA, some militaries and weird hobbyist shell out top dollars for.
There is so many people convinced this will somehow save us as if the problem in china is they're all way too dumb to make a good lense and not just that nobody wants to pay for it and also they get super buttmad when one of these midsized companies sells out production to china as those dastardly chinese don't give too much of a shit about patent law and will just copy it. Which is a correct assessment, really, but somehow it's chinas fault instead of some ghoul cashing out on a respected brand name and destroying the company.
China makes a ton of incredibly specialized shit. If you want a custom done hub-motor, you go to China to get it done. If you want some really specialized lens, China is also a good bet. China is already creeping up the really specialized boutique shit. Like just yesterday a big YT channel wanted to turn an old motorcycle into an ebike, so they called up a factory in China and gave them the specs and they made them a custom-done motor for that exact motorcycle. Or if you need to get a custom battery management IC or motor controller that only you are ever going to use you can often just hit up the factory and they don't even charge that much for custom orders a lot of the time.
What's really dumb about the whole "China makes cheap knockoffs" stereotype is that yeah, of course they do, but they also make all the good shit too. Not China's fault the distributor in America specified to the Chinese factory to cut as many corners as possible so the product can be sold to consoomers at walmart for 3 dollars. It's all confirmation bias because they never look at the origin label on the shit that doesn't break.
But But But .... They allready make much of the Zeiss Lenses in China https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr7585l95VM
.... And all the other Glass stuff also ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrF8UN_HxUU ...
Lmao :deng-smile:
Not everyone needs over engineered ball bearings, so we increase our manufacturing by outsourcing to—
Oh no
I think the next decade or so is when we enter the phase of late stage capitalism where the capitalists just start stripping out all the copper wiring from capitalism. They will be perfectly OK seeing the US collapse so long as either A) there's some place for them to retreat to with all their wealth, or B) they're able to establish a sort of fiefdom that generates income and gives them power within the US. I don't mean a literal fiefdom, but more like "I own 100,000 acres of farmland and 4,000 apartment units spread out across the country that I draw rent from".