• PoopCumFartBum [it/its]
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    3 years ago

    Gotta love when people out themselves as rich and sheltered assholes by assuming everyone is rich enough to move.

    • Nakoichi [they/them]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      "Why does everyone assume my family were slave owners?" I didn't even directly accuse them lol.

  • WeedReference420 [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    No this is fair, we should add a caveat, if your family weren't slave/property owners and still fought for the reactionary side in a revolution they weren't just profoundly on the wrong side of history, they're also fucking suckers.

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      The peasants in Granma only outnumbered the landlords 3:1 so there actually were lots of kulak/slave owners. Most of them only had one or two servants though.

      Literally everyone that came to the US was at some point a slave owner or a slave owner sympathizer. With the exception of some urban elite who fled for better wages.

  • Sphere [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    To what degree was slavery still a thing in Cuba at the time of the revolution? Wikipedia says it was abolished in 1886, so I feel like I'm missing some context here or something.

    • LeninsRage [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Its a figure of speech referring to the deplorable conditions of pre-Revolution peasants, tenant farmers, and agricultural workers

    • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, except...

      Just saying, sometimes abolished means abolished*

    • Nakoichi [they/them]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      What you think slavery was abolished strictly out of compassion and not due to pressure from growing revolutionary movement? Also it may have been formally abolished but much like post civil war reconstruction era America many people were held in comparable forms of bondage.

      • Sphere [he/him, they/them]
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        3 years ago

        1886 was more than 60 years prior to the revolution...

        Anyway, not doubting that there was de facto slavery (company store scam or whatever); was just looking for more info on the subject.

        • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          You're right, the "Castro freed slaves" meme is not a good one. It's wrong on its face (people will do the same basic search you did and see 1886), and no matter how bad working conditions were in 1959, they were far different from chattel slavery. Your boss couldn't just kill you for amusement or sell your wife and children to some plantation on the other side of the country.

          Besides, you can say "Batista was a murderous dictator and even the U.S. agreed a revolution was necessary:"

          The third, and perhaps most disastrous of our failures, was the decision to give stature and support to one of the most bloody and repressive dictatorships in the long history of Latin American repression. Fulgencio Batista murdered 20,000 Cubans in seven years - a greater proportion of the Cuban population than the proportion of Americans who died in both World Wars, and he turned Democratic Cuba into a complete police state - destroying every individual liberty.

          Yet our aid to his regime, and the ineptness of our policies, enabled Batista to invoke the name of the United States in support of his reign of terror.

          Administration spokesmen publicly praised Batista - hailed him as a staunch ally and a good friend - at a time when Batista was murdering thousands, destroying the last vestiges of freedom, and stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from the Cuban people, and we failed to press for free elections.

          This is something that gets more true when you look into it, not less.

          • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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            3 years ago

            What exactly is the nature of the relationship that people refer to when they talk about slavery under Batista then? Some form of debt peonage?

  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    You are allowed to advocate every type of change in a country except if it's socialist or capitalist. If you wanna change that you have to move to a different country. That's just how it has always worked.

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      when the US paid people to move to Cuba so they’d stop hijacking planes

      I would like to know more because I can't tell if you're serious