link the comments have more takes from the "historian"

maybe its the effects of white boy summer :thinkin-lenin:

also john brown didnt go far enough :john-brown:

    • LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA [he/him]
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      Technically he didn't even kill them.

      "Said I, ' Captain Brown, did you kill those five men on the Pottawatomie, or did you not? He replied, 'I did not, but I do not pretend to say that they were not killed by my order, and in doing so I believe I was doing God's service.' My wife spoke and said, 'Then Captain, you think God uses you as an instrument in His hands to kill men?' Brown replied, "I think He has used me as an instrument to kill men, and if I live, I think he will use me as an instrument to kill a good many more!'"

      -The words of John Brown's personal friend, cited in WEB DuBois' biography on Brown.

      They also weren't just "vocally advocating" for slavery. These were the men that had just sacked Lawrence, Kansas, burning numerous homes. I believe one of Brown's family members was staying in one that was burned as well. Brown and his men hunted them down, dragged them from their homes, and ordered them hacked to death by claymore in a swamp.

      • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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        3 years ago

        I generally don't like people invoking the name of God to justify murder, because usually it's targeting sex-workers or just women in general or mixed-race couples. Here, however, I am completely fine and even have scriptural backing to support his claim.

        • LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA [he/him]
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          Yeah, exactly. The difference between John Brown's brand of "god told me to murder" is that it was "God told me to free the oppressed, and if you are going to prevent me from doing that, I will kill the fuck out of you and God is gonna back me up here."

          Whereas from your typical religious extremist its more like "god said wear this piece of clothing, don't eat a particular plant, and you can't say his actual name and if you do any of those things i will kill the fuck out of you."

          One of these things is demonstrably good and cool. The other, not so much.

          • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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            3 years ago

            There's also a whole book of the Bible mostly about God telling a man to kill some slavers, and then the man goes and kills some slavers.

              • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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                3 years ago

                Exodus. That's the one where Moses liberates the Tribes of Israel from Egypt by releasing the Ten Plagues on them.

              • LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA [he/him]
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                Doesn't exactly narrow it down, honestly. Moses actually started his religious leader career by killing 2 slavers and hiding their bodies.

    • DirtbagVegan [he/him]
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      I don't think he did actually kill anyone who owned slaves, but he killed pro-slavery activists in the Kansas Territory, plus 1 marine at Harper's Ferry.

      But his explicit intent with the Harper's Ferry raid was to start slave uprisings which definitely would have killed a few slave owners.

    • Woly [any]
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      3 years ago

      Slave-adjacent entrepreneurs.

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        The free state was a weird place. Basically exactly what Ancaps want the world to be like. There were a few colonies of freed slaves, but way more ruthless capitalists and bloodthirsty racist militias. John Brown's group was constantly being attacked and people in his community were being kidnapped and killed (his son was kidnapped, tarred and feathered by a racist militia).

        Harpers Ferry was retaliation that barely even compared to the constant harassment and violence suffered by John Brown and the free slaves, but of course, after reconstruction was scuttled we have to take the revisionist line that he like murdered poor innocent racists in their sleep instead of fighting against a group that made their living murdering innocents.

        • Woly [any]
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          3 years ago

          The US is the older brother pretending to also cry after giving his little brother a bloody nose and mom comes running.