I was listening to an episode recently where they talked about the Lincoln Project for a very long time. But they seemed to focus on the guy actually producing the ads and only once, while reading an excerpt from a bio, did they mention that the tea-party was koch funded. And then they go right back to talking about these ads as if they were a divine and inspired vision of some guy that just so happened to be a former tea-party dickhead.

The people who funded the tea party and rightwing protectionists. Globalism as a boogie man isnt just about thinly-veiled antisemitism, it's also about Koch, Malone and Kroenke not wanting to have to compete with foreign private equity in their scheme to take over every industry. These guys funded and promoted the tea party with their fossil fuel money and media empires. And now the Lincoln Project is the same exact rhetoric and being produced by the same exact people and it seems like people want the story to be the content of the ads instead of the rightwing dipshits behind it.

The way they talk about USPS is the same. They keep talking about whats happening to the USPS as though that has anything to do with how or why it's happening or how we can stop it. Fedex and UPS have been $10+ million a year for decades in an effort to privatize the industry and trump is just the only guy dirty enough to take the heat for it.

Fedex Owner - Frederick W. Smith

Lobbying Totals: https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary?id=d000000089&fbclid=IwAR1i048MvcLwAzOsSw3q4hZlEqEIpd_RlbnleTG9xYSJ091Tae8Ss75zMXI

UPS Owner - David P. Abney

Lobbying Totals: https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/lobbying?id=D000000081&fbclid=IwAR0JKZf1fWDHewDxfZNTA5rbcoBhUWtPMAeFfSb9aFiQSijZ1LJJeNY6Ln4

if the media (which the chaps are a part of) was framing this as "Look at these two actual people using their money to take away a public good" it could actually change things. I think we need to go on the offense and make every single political issue about the financials beneficiaries.

What the donors want is politics. What politicians say they believe is just pop culture.

  • PhallicsJones [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    But this is the problem. The right isn't a series of "random things with a rightwing theme" they shit is always tied to larger movements and real direct action. The entirety of mainstream leftism says this same kind of "jumping off point" argument for why they aren't doing more.

    And I actually think that isn't even really the issue. What I'm suggesting is harder. It takes more work. It's real easy to say "big pharma is benefiting from...." but you have to do an extra three googles to get to the point where you can say "Michael Pearson the CEO of Valeant is benefiting from...". Finance and corporate structures are designed to make it harder to actually find out who is behind what but that can't be a reason for our side to just give up and be vague, alex-jonesian morons.

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      4 years ago

      I completely agree. And knowledge for its own sake is worth having, it gives you power. I'm legitimately asking what we do with the knowledge? How can we use it to effect change in our workplace or our communities?

      • PhallicsJones [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        EXACTLY! Low-information punditry sucks for its own sake and knowing shit is even dope in a vacuum. There is no good argument against name-checking donors in every single tweet/post/comment. The difference between liberalism and leftism is whether or not it can actually help people. I think communicating this way would actually help people.

      • PhallicsJones [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Look at the anti-soros campaign. That shit worked. He is now way less effective at whatever the fuck he is actually doing (which probably ain't much) because of the amount of public vitriol directed at him. The shape of that isn't what makes it evil. Evil men should be on the receiving end of vitriol and negative, public attention. It really does matter.

        The difference between one person saying "Spectrum Cable is a piece of shit" vs "John Malone is a piece of shit" isn't much. But multiply that difference by a thousand or a million and we have one less oligarch able to act without consequences. But we've literally seen that a thousand or a million people thinking "spectrum is a piece of shit" can NOT help anything at all. Let's just try the other way.

        Liberalism is just performative leftism hooked up to right-wing business models. Part of the reason it works is because they can performatively vilify an industry without ever naming the bad actors that finance them. We need to make every single political statement about corruption to include the name of a person benefiting from that corruption. We have to follow the benefit up the chain, not down.

        • socialismspectr [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          That's a good point about soros actually. Spreading it in memes actually works.

          I know it is itself a meme on here but the meme war does have an effect on people's perceptions, especially terminally online boomers. If it's our ideas out on the table in meme form then that can only be good. And if those memes are pointing at overtly corrupt people then that will cause anger. Everyone hates corruption except oligarchs, even the right.