• stigsbandit34z [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    I bet half of the people at :reddit-logo: don't know that Hitler drew some inspiration from the way the US treated POC and other minorities at that time

    • SickleRick [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Or that they designed their gas chambers after US Border Patrol's gas chambers and used the same chemical.

        • SickleRick [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/18/a-short-history-of-zyklon-b-on-the-us-mexican-border-please-dont-share-with-donald-trump/

          The use of Zyklon B on the U.S.-Mexican border was a matter of keen interest to the firm of DEGESCH. In 1938, Dr. Gerhard Peters called for its use in German Desinfektionskammern. Romo has tracked down an article Peters wrote in a German pest science journal, Anzeiger für Schädlingskunde, which featured two photographs of El Paso delousing chambers. Peters went on to become the managing director of DEGESCH, which handled the supply of Zyklon B for the Nazi death camps. He was tried and convicted at Nuremberg. Hilberg reports that he got five years, then won a retrial that netted him six years. He was re-tried in 1955 and found not guilty.

    • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      They get really defensive every time it's brought up. The usual "every country has been colonized" is then brought up.

  • Koa_lala [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Yes, and then history ended and everyone lived happily ever after, according to libs.

  • corgiwithalaptop [any, love/loves]
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    3 years ago

    Huh. I actually don't know the answer to this (if it was taught to me in school, I've forgotten). Anyone know a not-shit source to read about this? I'd ask you to ELI5, but....well......that's kinda what got us here, innit

    • SickleRick [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      They didn't just stop. West Germany's first Chancellor was a Nazi party member. West Germany's first Chancellor was a coward and sometime collaborator of the Nazis who insisted that the FIS hire Nazis to combat communism, even though he credited a communist with saving his life during the Nazi regime. He also stopped denazification in the West. The third Chancellor was a Nazi. West Germany's intelligence service was ran by the Nazi's chief intelligence officer for the eastern front, who staffed it with 'former' Nazis. A ton of chiefs of NATO were former Nazi generals. And the West German military was run by Nazi generals.

      To better educate yourself on the matter, Wikipedia actually has a decent article on the Myth of the Clean Wehrmacht. The gist is that Nazis, the US, and UK (but I repeat myself) made up the myth to sell the public on not killing them and using them to fight those dirty Soviets.

      • KingPush [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Was Adenauer really a Nazi? A quick search doesn't bring anything up, but it obviously wouldn't be something that would be prominently showcased.

        • SickleRick [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Thank you, I had some facts mixed up in my head.

          From the FIS Wikipedia page:

          On the other hand, Gehlen himself was cleared by James H. Critchfield of the Central Intelligence Agency who worked with the Gehlen Organization from 1949 to 1956. In 2001, he said that "almost everything negative that has been written about Gehlen, [as an] ardent ex-Nazi, one of Hitler's war criminals ... is all far from the fact," as quoted in the Washington Post. Critchfield added that Gehlen hired former Sicherheitsdienst (Security Service of the Reichsführer-SS) men "reluctantly, under pressure from German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer to deal with 'the avalanche of subversion hitting them from East Germany'" [9]

          From Adenauer's Wikipedia page:

          Adenauer was imprisoned for two days after the Night of the Long Knives on 30 June 1934; however, on 10 August 1934, maneuvering for his pension, he wrote a ten-page letter to Hermann Göring (the Prussian interior minister). He stated that as Mayor he had violated Prussian laws in order to allow NSDAP events in public buildings and Nazi flags to be flown from city flagpoles and that in 1932 he had declared publicly that the Nazis should join the Reich government in a leading role.[23][24] At the end of 1932, Adenauer had indeed demanded a joint government by his Zentrum party and the Nazis for Prussia.[25]

          During the next two years, Adenauer changed residences often for fear of reprisals against him, while living on the benevolence of friends. With the help of lawyers in August 1937 he was successful in claiming a pension; he received a cash settlement for his house, which had been taken over by the city of Cologne; his unpaid mortgage, penalties and taxes were waived. With reasonable financial security he managed to live in seclusion for some years. After the failed assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944, he was imprisoned for a second time as an opponent of the regime. He fell ill and credited Eugen Zander, a former municipal worker in Cologne and communist, with saving his life. Zander, then a section Kapo of a labor camp near Bonn, discovered Adenauer's name on a deportation list to the East and managed to get him admitted to a hospital. Adenauer was subsequently rearrested (as was his wife), but in the absence of any evidence against him, was released from prison at Brauweiler in November 1944.

          So, he wasn't exactly a Nazi, but he was a coward and sometime collaborator. His (and those like him's) anticommunism put the Nazis in power. A communist saved his life, and he still devoted the postwar years to anticommunism.

          The Soviets had the right idea on how to accomplish denazification. :stalin-gun-1: :stalin-gun-2:

        • hsv [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          No, the third chancellor Kiesinger was a nazi. Adenauer was just a regular conservative and was dismissed as mayor and temporarily imprisoned by the nazis. edit: I should add that he was still a piece of shit