• gayhobbes [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Buh buh but the Holodomor was a genocide

    Meanwhile I can't get any reliable numbers on the people killed during the Dust Bowl/Great Depression

    • FloridaBoi [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Attempting to look this up yesterday and even looking up something like “deaths caused by Dust Bowl” yields unrelated results

      • gayhobbes [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Isn't it weird that we know everyone who even sneezed too strong during the Holodomor but we can't find a single Dust Bowl death? Odd! Odd odd odd.

        • gammison [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          There's very little evidence that the dust bowl, or the great depression generally caused significant excess death. To be sure, there was several thousand likely excess deaths, but the death rates did not fluctuate much compared to the 1920s or 1940s.

          Here's a recent study on the mortality rates in American cities during the great depression. https://jech.bmj.com/content/66/5/410.abstract?sid=5c77edc9-6cfa-4154-be20-8272b1ca03b4

    • gammison [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/149yg8/how_many_americans_died_of_hunger_during_the/ The stats for deaths during the great depression are recorded all over various state archives.

      Here's a study on death rates in the united states during the great depression, there's really not that many excess deaths. https://jech.bmj.com/content/66/5/410.abstract?sid=5c77edc9-6cfa-4154-be20-8272b1ca03b4

      • gayhobbes [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        This is a gem though, basically using the same methods used to calculate the Holodomor and applying it to the Great Depression.

        • gammison [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          Yeah I've seen that, it's really bad scholarship and is not at all accurate. Like the population data is straight up wrong just using the 1930 and 1940 census and the comparison of the PWA to the gulag system is ludicrous. Like the population growth 1920-1930 was 13 percent. From 1930 to 1940 it was 7.5. This is basically all accountable in the immigration restrictions made in 1924, and the lower birth rate due to the great depression.

          • gayhobbes [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Don’t forget that lower birth rates are chucked into lots of anti-communist stats though.

            But yeah I figured the scholarship on this was garbage.