If China really is a socialist country or one pushing towards communism, why do you think they are waiting to push more directly in that direction? What is to be strategically gained from capitalizing your economy, essentially going backwards for 50 years instead of continuing to push for communism?

  • El_Quico [he/him]
    hexagon
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    3 years ago

    I thought that it was incredibly hard to get into the CCP because they wanted to keep ideological purity. Is that not the case?

    I would agree that they have been pretty successful in what they've been doing, but there is a hard limit coming up very fast in the form of exponential growth and coming climate catastrophe. Do you think they see that at all? They are already the world's largest (or very close) economy, they basically own the US both financially and in manufacturing, they know and they know that we know that the US military would get rinsed if they tried to pull some shit in Asia...I look around and I think IF what people say on here is true and they are just following a strategic path to communism, then they have to start really pushing towards communism and world-wide revolution pretty damn soon....

    • DeathToBritain [she/her, they/them]
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      3 years ago

      I think they're not pushing for global revolution and communism, CCP are a socialism in one country party. interventionism is just really not their thing, it's a point of pride for them. they absolutely should transition to socialism faster, and could even do so with a transitional market socialist stage with workplace democracy and co-ops becoming the dominant part of the economy. I think they just want to go slow and steady, and that the climate collapse will push them away from a market economy as markets become unstable and there's no foreign capital to soak up anymore

    • spectre [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I thought that it was incredibly hard to get into the CCP because they wanted to keep ideological purity. Is that not the case?

      This is not exactly the case. I don't want to speak too far out of turn since I'm not an expert, but one would definitely be misinformed to think that every (or possibly even a majority of) the CCP is a committed communist. Party dealings are more opaque than we are used to in the West, plus the language barrier, so it's hard to say much for certain unless you're really in the know. One thing that we probably agree on is that the Chinese political system is far more effective at actually getting things done (mostly good things at that) than the U.S. government, even if there are many liberals within it.

      On climate: everything I've seen indicates that this is a major concern for the Chinese government, and they have begun to take measures to address environmental issues domestically, but it's going to be hard to do that all at once given that they are the world's factory at the moment. I would guess (pure speculation of course) that things will be looking pretty good on that front in 20-30 years, but there's a long path ahead.

      When we talk about "climate catastrophe" it has less to do with the entire world ending and more that a lot of people are going to be displaced and or killed by the resulting effects. It's not China's responsibility to avert this alone, and it seems that they may be poised to lead the way whenever other countries are ready to actually address the issue. The idea of "pushing for a worldwide revolution" is incredibly dangerous and not really in the cards. Theyve been non-interventionist to a fault, and that's gotten them to where they are today. The American empire is decaying, but it's going to exist for quite a while longer. I think it would be a folly to depend on any one country to introduce/support some form of global socialism. More likely is that smaller developing countries develop organic symbiotic relationships with the PRC as the US declines into a middling level of relevancy, and form a socialist-oriented bloc over a very long time.