This was taken from an old prepper forum that I can't actually find. It has an interesting perspective and would be great to go in c/SHTF if that community existed. Anyway:


I grew up in West Africa and lived through Civil Wars in 3 nations: Liberia, Sierra Leone & Gambia. Literally as we escaped to another country, war broke out there (the point of that is unrest in one location can turn into unrest in a neighboring location)

I learned many lessons from these experiences and hope that my experience can be of some benefit to you as you prepare for whatever comes.

When society deteriorates, it's ugly. The majority of people are not prepared. During the first few days, people hold onto hope that things will go back to normal and someone will save them. For that week, many are largely in denial that what's going on will last longer than a few days.

About a week into a SHTF event like a civil war, people become EXTREMELY desperate. Parents start begging for food for their children, etc.

This is when you have to be very careful in helping others because you too could become an easy target. During one outbreak of war in Liberia, my family and others bugged out to heavily fortified military compound.

On our way to the compound, we had to stop and spend a night at a family friend's house. Armed robbers came to the house that night and tried to steal from us. The homeowner's wife was killed in the attack. She was shot through the window in front of us. They wanted to set the house on fire to smoke us out, but it was raining heavily that night and they apparently ran out of ammo.

They left and said they would be back. We fled the house right after and slept in the bushes on a nearby beach.

The next morning we made it to the compound where we stayed for months until a cease fire was called. The compound was attacked on two occasions during those months.

During another outbreak of war (the war lasted over a decade with periods of cease fire) when we didn't have that compound available, we traveled on foot across the city to my grandmother's house.

This time, the community tried to protect itself from armed robbers. We created a night watch of ordinary people that would monitor the neighborhood. Finding allies like this was very helpful.

Basic necessities were needed the most. Coffee, tea & sugar became the biggest commodities. People who smoke or drank gave those up quickly. If you were drunk or high, you were not attentive to potential attacks.

The people who joined the night watch got paid in food. You gave them enough food for that day.

Basic necessities bought you allies. The vast majority of people wanted some sense of normalcy. They didn't just turn into savages. My father had his coffee everyday for example.

Rice was a major staple because it filled you up. We often had it with something called bulgur wheat.

People needed toothpaste and powdered milk. Toilet paper was a luxury and very few people had them. After you've used newspapers, you'll work for free for TP.

Having a clean water supply was important. People often got sick from drinking unclean water so basic medication was also important.

Unless you were participating in the war, you didn't use much ammo to be honest. You also didn't want people knowing how many guns you had so you wouldn't be a target of armed robbers, especially if you were a small group. Using ammo could draw the wrong crowd so you didn't unless you had to defend your area.

While you're prepping, load up on basic necessities. People won't risk their lives for cigarettes or alcohol like you see in the movies, but they will risk their lives for food for their kids.

During those wars I experienced, people still banded together. They still wanted a sense of community, a sense of normalcy. Have like minded allies, even if they're not part of your immediate group.

One way we survived was by banding together and laying low. Don't show a lot of people your goods. The main thing is to survive and you do so by not drawing too much attention.

It's why I wouldn’t barter things like marijuana, much alcohol, etc. A lot of these things start to attract the wrong element. Stick to many basic necessities. During the war, rebels used child soldiers, these kids were drugged up. People who had marijuana attracted rebel forces who killed them and took their weed.

We experienced so much more than this but I hope this is helpful to you as you prep to survive without yourself becoming a target during a SHTF situation. A war is one of the worst SHTF situations to encounter.

  • purgegf [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Most people outside of rural areas don't know how to ride a horse.

    • Owl [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Learning how to ride a horse isn't that hard.

      But yeah, the rest of this horse plan is nonsense. There's a reason horses were a luxury through most of history. They're skittish fragile animals that die for no reason and don't fully know how to take care of themselves. If you really want to bet on animal power get an ox or something.

      • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        horse plan

        horse make food into fast

        that isn't a plan

        it's a dumb joke

        i'm losing my fucking mind

        • Owl [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I read the rest of the thread too, you know. It can't be just a dumb joke and also something you're willing to go around defending against legitimate criticism at the same time.

          It's okay to say something dumb sometimes, we all do it. You don't need to dig in your heels. Take a break, maybe watch some SGDQ.

          • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            It started as a dumb joke, then people's criticisms sounded like they had never even seen a damn horse and/or thought fuel grew on trees
            it's still a dumb joke

      • purgegf [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        Who is going to teach them? Where do those people come from? How are they going to teach them so fast? How do you even get the horses? I understand the benefits of a horse that you keep promoting, but I think you are vastly underestimating the logistics of converting tons of people to horseback. Horses have been a luxury from their domestication all the way until the American West. And then they became a luxury again when the automobile came around. A horse consume more food for its range than a car consumes gas. You can't just find horses everywhere. You can't just stable horses anywhere. Horses have to be meticulously maintained far more regularly than a car or a bike. A horse can break a leg in a hole in the ground and it's done forever. No spare tires. Horses get tired. Horses get hungry. Horses can catch diseases. Horses get agitated. People today are not familiar with horses like they have been thousands of years. A horse is not a sudden increase in motion and transport like in a video game. To propose that people switch to horses over bikes and cars is frankly naive.

        • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          Who is going to teach them?

          people who already know, that's how education works

          Where do those people come from?

          space

          How are they going to teach them so fast?

          the same way they teach literal children now

          How do you even get the horses?

          you already have them

          I understand the benefits of a horse that you keep promoting, but I think you are vastly underestimating the logistics of converting tons of people to horseback

          a horse makes food into fast joke has become me as an equestrian zealot now

          Horses have been a luxury from their domestication all the way until the American West

          tell that to the Mongols

          And then they became a luxury again when the automobile came around

          because car better until no fuel, then car big paperweight

          A horse consume more food for its range than a car consumes gas

          a farm is easier to set up than a petroleum refinery

          You can’t just find horses everywhere

          nah mate, i walk out my door and i cant help but rip over the bloody things, got mugged by one last week, fucking feral

          You can’t just stable horses anywhere

          and here was me thinking i could just cram one into the cupboard

          Horses have to be meticulously maintained far more regularly than a car or a bike

          feed the horse, brush the horse, treat the horse for illness, remove the horse shit from the horse's house

          A horse can break a leg in a hole in the ground and it’s done forever.

          mmmmmmm lasagne

          No spare tires

          cyborg horse

          Horses get tired

          rest the horse

          Horses get hungry

          feed the horse

          Horses can catch diseases

          treat the horse for illness

          Horses get agitated

          yeah, they're big dumb animals, what's your point?

          People today are not familiar with horses like they have been thousands of years

          people today are not familiar with civil war either

          A horse is not a sudden increase in motion and transport like in a video game

          the fuck does this even mean

          To propose that people switch to horses over bikes and cars is frankly naive.

          no fuel bad