larping will always be a problem in political forums, but taking away the "you're gonna get banned" incentive to act like a reasonable person is only going to lead to incredible insufferable larping, and it's already trended in that direction.

any version of leftism that is not primarily centered around empathy is useless and will lead to nothing positive. unfortunately in isolated internet communities too many peoples' version of leftism is about extreme edge and fantasizing about violence

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    I think delegitimization of anger as a genuine, valid emotion is just as toxic than anything you could be referring to. You wanna be empathetic? Try to understand why people would be edgy and "fantasize" about violence, don't just label them as LARPERS. I mean our hegemonic powers constantly push for docility in the populace in the face of their constant application of violence abroad and domestically. When your experience is largely made up of people preaching empathy while practicing control and violence, is it unreasonable to have doubt about the true nature of people's supposed "empathy" (which in my mind tends to be be prescriptive moralizing in how people tend to use the term)?

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      You don't overcome cynical violence and abuse of power by doing it yourself. You have to offer a real alternative. Fantasizing about violence against those you dislike is just succumbing to your emotions and desires rather than devising a real plan to counter such evil.

      "Nothing in the world is as soft and yielding as water. Yet for dissolving the hard and inflexible, nothing can surpass it.

      The soft overcomes the hard; the gentle overcomes the rigid. Everyone knows this is true, but few can put it into practice.

      Therefore the Master remains serene in the midst of sorrow. Evil cannot enter his heart. Because he has given up helping, he is people's greatest help.

      True words seem paradoxical."

      Lao-Tzu

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        I think the whole notion of succumbing to or existing outside of your emotions is bullshit. There's no escaping your emotions, they will always inform your experience and beliefs just as much as "truth" (as if that notion could exist outside of the confines of emotions). What are you hovering over us with your magnaminity? Why don't you give me an unemotional reason as to why violence is inherently "evil" in all scenarios? Or maybe an unemotional definition of evil? Your supposed serenity is impossible, a conceptual coping mechanism for dealing with the violence of human relation. Your docility only enables the violence of others, the ones who preach docility and democracy and civility while circumventing it at every opportunity.

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          Your case is that because it is impossible to fully ensure that your decisions are not influenced by your emotions, then there is no point attempting to behave logically?

          In your personal life, are there not many scenarios where you feel emotionally Y thing but know logically X thing?

          I'm not advocating for you to detach yourself of emotions. I'm advocating for you to make your decisions with the idea that the way you feel emotionally may not necessarily lead you to the right action for your goals. In this case, just because you're angry and want to take drastic action to change things doesn't mean that such violent action is necessarily correct. Simply being aware of that idea and keeping it in mind when making your decisions will help you make better decisions.

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            My point is that there is no logic that exists outside of the emotional conscious experience. Your concepts of logic are informed through experiences and teachings that coincided with emotional experience (which both emerges from and informs said experiences and teachings). When you use the term logic it's the reified concept of logic that is detached from the processes of knowledge and belief formation (which includes emotional content) through which it arose. The concepts of what is a "correct" or "better" decision cannot be separated from the experiences which informed these concepts and those experiences involve emotion. I don't advocate for impulsivity. I advocate for understanding that emotion is involved in every aspect of being and understanding, not just immediate experience. Anger is not purely impulsive and if you want to be empathetic, be understanding of people's anger - it is not some impulsive aberration