So, I fully support trans people competing with cisgender people in sport. I also think there's loads of sports where you could gender desegregate it - basically all the sports that don't rely on strength and size.

So I said that bit, but then I also said that if you desegregated sports like swimming, football, rugby, etc etc, then you would never see a woman in a top team or on the podium at the Olympics ever again. Is that not factual? Even Ledecky, who is a ridiculously good swimmer, would not even make the men's swimming final at the Olympics.

I think you could desegregate sports at lower levels too - I've seen it done and experienced it. I was in a middle tier team in cricket with a bunch of dinguses, and the sometimes Women's A Team players would join our matches. They were as capable or better than the blokes most of the time. However, these women went on to play internationally, on TV, picking up contracts and stuff by playing against other women. If it was desegregated she'd be playing with shmucks like me who never even really liked cricket.

Am I wrong?

  • CommieElon [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I think I caught a mixed gender relay in swimming during the olympics. The difference between the men and women was stark. Even so it was a fun event to watch that was competitive. Maybe introducing more mixed sporting events such as tennis doubles into other sporting events is a good way to integrate women and trans athletes.

    I don’t think you’re being a misogynist at all tbh. Women wouldn’t be able to have careers if it was completely desegregated.

      • machiabelly [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        When I went on estrogen I lost approximately 30 or 40% of my muscle. What you're saying does hold merit, but that doesn't change the realities of biology. The fastest sprinter will never be someone with estrogen > testosterone

      • CommieElon [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        https://conversations.indy100.com/nncaa-basketball-tiktok-sedona-prince-

        There are disparities that exist in facilities and coaching for sure.

        There are several amateur and professional women fighters in my gym. They all have the same coaches and facilities. There is mixed sparring but only at 40%-50% effort. There is no mixed sparring at any level higher than that. The women would probably get hurt and sparring to get injured is stupid. This doesn’t take away from the women’s accomplishments at all though.