I got invited to go fishing with some coworkers and had to say no. It's kind of a shame since I don't have any friends and it was a chance to do something social, plus the area they wanted to go is chill and out in the woods. But I've never been comfortable with fishing. It's a big part of where I grew up. Lots of people don't even eat the fish. They toss the poor things back in the water.
Maybe I could still go but just hang out on the shore.
Used to fish for food as a kid and into teens and I'm pretty numb to it.
Catch and release, even when done properly, is a bit on the edge for me though. It's not needed and when enough people do it, which there are, it fucks up food chains.
When I'm catching to eat, which is how I learned to fish, I'd kill them pretty much immediately by destroying their brain. They don't have thick skulls, since gravity isn't an issue, so one good whack in the right spot ends them quickly.
Might looks brutal though, there's blood for sure and sometimes they'll flop for awhile even without a head.
All this said, fish are basically a nervous system. Their brains are super basic and aren't exactly capable of pain, fear, and emotional trauma in the way we feel it.
I get the natural reaction to empathize and anthropomorphize everything as a caring human being, but fish are really fucking dumb and are damned to a cruel fate because the food chain of the ocean is fucking horrifying.
I love fishies even if they're dumb because I am also very dumb
I love the fishes too.
Sorry, no you don't. You kill them for no good reason.
Like I said, I killed them to eat when I was younger. I lived on a boat, that was how we ate.
You have no idea what you're talking about so don't insult me and tell me how I feel.
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Vegans and not respecting non-traditional lifestyles name a more iconic duo.
I like veganism and the moral philosophy around it and am actively adding the concepts/actions to my life, but holy shit some vegans really piss me off.
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Your feelings do not matter, you are killing animals for fun.
Do you currently live stranded on a boat?
You do not love fish, you love killing and eating fish. Very distinct.
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Bring back downvotes
Furthermore I spent most of my life as a young adult attempting to get a degree in marine biology in an effort to help life in the ocean.
That didn't work out because of money, but honestly go fuck yourself when you tell me what I care about.
Why would it matter how you spent your time learning?
You kill animals for fun. Clearly your education had no impact on your capacity to do animal abuse.
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When you can't defend your own behavior, so you start hiding behind indigenous people. (Who actually are justified in hunting to survive.)
You don't live on a boat now, you still fish for fun, but when someone points out that killing wild animals is mutually exclusive with loving them, you lose your shit.
Consider this convo disengaged. Have a nice day :vegan-liberation-rad:
I DONT DO ANY OF THESE THINGS HOLY SHIT
fucking judging me for being poor when I was a kid. holy shit and we're just letting this kind of stuff be on the website huh? OK real cool
This fucking whole community is full of you parasites. Pretending like you have any semblance of radical in you yet not even attempting to fucking understand people who aren't as well off.
Good fucking luck with your "leftism" you fucking hypocrite.
I don't even fucking fish anymore. what the fuck even is this comment. just so much judgement and assumptions about me. This is some of the most toxic shit I've seen on a forum in general, much less here.
IMPOVERISHED! Do you know what that means???
Of course not, you're some shitty fucking kid with no life experience judging people who have lived differently than you. Congrats on the money you got from your family and the ability to choose your diet growing up.
I didn't fucking have that you absolute nerd.
oh that's right. you targeted me the other day too. were you just waiting for this or what? you have all these conclusions about me ready here, when I've said and done none of these things.
:pigpoop: :pigpoop:
I literally didn't though, that was the fucking point.
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You just need to Google "fish feel pain" to see that the science is against you on this issue.
Edit: it's cool if you're past this time in your life. Fuck knows I've had enough bullshit in my past that I'm not proud of.
It's not. They are able to learn, yes so are a lot of things, but the type of pain and fear that humans have is not really there.
Either way I'm done with this. I recounted my experience sustenance fishing as a kid and said that fishing for sport was bad. I still got called an animal abuser, so kindly fuck off.
edit: I'm being a dick here from the other comment chain. This is fine and worth noting, it's also why I don't like catch and release.
Sorry. See my edit. I was literally typing it when you responded.
It's all good, you made a good point and I bit your head off.
I'm aware of the studies about fish reacting to negative stimulus and learning about them. It's a bit different, but yeah, it's one of the reasons I'm saying sport fishing is bad
It's cool. I think struggle sessions do shit to our brains. We're in pounce mode. And no one wants to be told off.
Yeah I logged off for a bit and just got on to check on it a few minutes ago lol, saw your thing and thought it was a continuation and showed my ass. my bad comrade
Sorry about the defensive answer, but yeah, I'm really not up for it anymore.