Was Iraq inevitable, regardless of whether it was a D or R in the White House? Or, would he have resisted and doubled down in Afghanistan?

  • RandyLahey [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    i feel like iraq was driven so much by the project for a new american century ghouls (cheney, rumsfeld etc) in bushs administration who had been banging the invading iraq drum well before they convinced bush to do 9/11

    may well have been other imperial projects but i suspect not that specific one

    edit: lol i didnt mean for a throwaway 9/11 joke to spawn whatever the fuck happened here, this is just like that time i tripped over when i was doing my jet fuel delivery

      • RandyLahey [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        oh yeah i was memeing about bush doing 9/11, but its easy to forget now how incredibly mask-off the pnac publications were about everything , including frothing at the mouth for "some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor"

        i dont think they were actively involved or necessarily knew that 9/11 specifically was coming, but they had ample intelligence to know something similar was coming, and they 100% made a conscious decision to let it happen and capitalise on it rather than do anything meaningful to stop it

        • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          they 100% made a conscious decision to let it happen and capitalise on it rather than do anything meaningful to stop it

          This seems more and more likely every time I read about how the FBI will wind up right-wing psychos instead of arresting them or talking them down.

          • happybadger [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

            Have you seen how many planes were grounded immediately after? Five going down is a coincidence sure, but it's not a conspiracy. The same people who told you 9/11 happened then sold you on two wars because of it. These are questions we should ask.

            • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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              3 years ago

              well, "9/11 never happened" is certainly not a take i thought i would ever see lmao

              • happybadger [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                It happened, it was just five isolated events and some media hysteria linking them together. Five planes can't crash on the same day? In the entire world? Knowing full well how tall the World Trade Centres were?

                • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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                  3 years ago

                  so according to you, two planes just happened to veer directly into the world trade centre within 20 minutes of each other?

                  • happybadger [he/him]
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                    3 years ago

                    Obviously. The timing sucks because it split emergency resources but we've all had a bad day.

                  • happybadger [he/him]
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                    3 years ago

                    Oh except one eh? So one looks like an accident and you're willing to say the other four couldn't be. You can't just accidentally fly too low and hit the pentagon.

              • happybadger [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                How could 4 planes crashing into 4 high profile targets, and a 5th crashing before it had the chance to hit its target, and then Al Qaeda explicitly taking credit, as well as 20 suicide hijackers with a coordinated plan having their identities revealed, be an accident?

                Because shit happens. You weren't there.

                Either there was a massive plan to carry out a massive attack (highly likely), or there was a massive plan to make a highly coincidental series of crashes into high profile targets seem like an orchestrated terrorist attack (highly unlikely). Either option involves a massive plan.

                Can you keep a secret between 20 friends? Coincidences happen.

                  • happybadger [he/him]
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                    3 years ago

                    Nobody would do a bit about a tragedy of that scale. I'm purely questioning the nature of it. All five crashes were accidents. Al Qaeda are braggarts. Of course the hijackers had names, nationalities, and identities- they just had no association with each other and it was a complete coincidence that they were all on their respective planes. News pundits, wars, you know those people. It's disgusting they'd make a mountain out of a molehill.

            • TankieDukakis [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              Wait do you think 5 planes just accidentally crashed and just happened to be into places like the WTC and pentagon? Or that it was 5 independent occurrences that coincidentally happened on the same day at the same time?

              Because both of those are a lol