I feel like there is no excuse when someone says that shit about the people who suffered most at the hands of fascism. Doesn't matter if they are your friend, doesn't matter if you dislike the USSR, calling is fucking fascist is the most privileged, insulting, and disgusting thing you can fucking say. Its not just wrong, its not just idiotic, it minimized fascism while denigrating its victims. Anyone who thinks that shit should be cut off the call asap, no excuses
I'll give one a go then. The Soviet Union was intimately aware of counter-revolutionary forces in the world, both outside from America (military, CIA, and other funding projects) and from within (Bourgeois elements, Liberal idealogues, infiltrators). In order to maintain their government they had to take a number of security measures that are not democratic in the liberal sense, but to confuse this with facsist empirialism is not only disingenuous but completely ahistorical.
Comparison to facsism: definitely the worse part of the statement. The One Party state of the USSR sought to equally benefit all living under it, while in the early years this often meant hard times as they took off people were eating more, better food, people had better access to transport, affordable housing that could handle Russian conditions, they were pushing bounds in arts and sciences. The benefits of these were distributed broadly equally, more so than any country since barring maybe Cuba. There was not the kind of private centralisation that is typical under facsism, as much as people would like to make it seem that way.
Calling the USSR fascist also detracts from the victims of facsism. The victims of the Holocaust were murdered with such cruelty and in such numbers that has seen no reflection anywhere, barring maybe imperial Japan. The Paperclip Nazis that were imported to America often ended up working for things like MKUltra, continuing their cruelty in another fascist state. If you can look anyone in the eye and say the kulaks of the soviet union had it as bad as the Jews and other enemies of the nazis then you should log off and not come back, I have nothing to say to you.
Calling the USSR an Empire: They were the largest communist power and were looking to support other communist powers across the world. Did they send military arms to Cuba to intimidate the Americans? Yes. Did the Cubans want that? Yes, keeping the Americans away meant keeping gangsterismo in the past. Did the USSR crush a Hungarian strike with their military? Yes. Should they have? I would argue yes they probably should have. History has proven that all of these so-called "paranoid" security measures probably did keep the USSR afloat. Knowing what we know about Gladio in Italy there is no reason to doubt there wouldn't be similar acts being taken within the boarders of the Soviet Union.
Arguments the the USSR was a Fascist Empire are only ever in bad faith. They should be given no quarter anywhere, least of all here.
This is it. The shit take was calling the soviet union a fascist empire in red paint which :cringe:.
I feel like there is no excuse when someone says that shit about the people who suffered most at the hands of fascism. Doesn't matter if they are your friend, doesn't matter if you dislike the USSR, calling is fucking fascist is the most privileged, insulting, and disgusting thing you can fucking say. Its not just wrong, its not just idiotic, it minimized fascism while denigrating its victims. Anyone who thinks that shit should be cut off the call asap, no excuses
Liberals and Ultras try not to relativise the Holocaust challenge (impossible).
it's literally racist in my opinion. Incredibly ignorant at least. that shit needs to be shut down where ever you see it
Only you can stop fascism, by which I mean grab a hammer
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I'll give one a go then. The Soviet Union was intimately aware of counter-revolutionary forces in the world, both outside from America (military, CIA, and other funding projects) and from within (Bourgeois elements, Liberal idealogues, infiltrators). In order to maintain their government they had to take a number of security measures that are not democratic in the liberal sense, but to confuse this with facsist empirialism is not only disingenuous but completely ahistorical.
Comparison to facsism: definitely the worse part of the statement. The One Party state of the USSR sought to equally benefit all living under it, while in the early years this often meant hard times as they took off people were eating more, better food, people had better access to transport, affordable housing that could handle Russian conditions, they were pushing bounds in arts and sciences. The benefits of these were distributed broadly equally, more so than any country since barring maybe Cuba. There was not the kind of private centralisation that is typical under facsism, as much as people would like to make it seem that way.
Calling the USSR fascist also detracts from the victims of facsism. The victims of the Holocaust were murdered with such cruelty and in such numbers that has seen no reflection anywhere, barring maybe imperial Japan. The Paperclip Nazis that were imported to America often ended up working for things like MKUltra, continuing their cruelty in another fascist state. If you can look anyone in the eye and say the kulaks of the soviet union had it as bad as the Jews and other enemies of the nazis then you should log off and not come back, I have nothing to say to you.
Calling the USSR an Empire: They were the largest communist power and were looking to support other communist powers across the world. Did they send military arms to Cuba to intimidate the Americans? Yes. Did the Cubans want that? Yes, keeping the Americans away meant keeping gangsterismo in the past. Did the USSR crush a Hungarian strike with their military? Yes. Should they have? I would argue yes they probably should have. History has proven that all of these so-called "paranoid" security measures probably did keep the USSR afloat. Knowing what we know about Gladio in Italy there is no reason to doubt there wouldn't be similar acts being taken within the boarders of the Soviet Union.
Arguments the the USSR was a Fascist Empire are only ever in bad faith. They should be given no quarter anywhere, least of all here.
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