Yeah, the newest episode is genuinely awful. I had to stop listening when their guest blamed the fall of the Soviet Union on the enlightenment not reaching far enough. Just so much idealism and western chauvinism in that statement.
the enlightenment not reaching far enough
ultra-left phrenology
Yeah, the newest episode is genuinely awful.
Hey, I'll cut against the grain and vouch for :josus-stalin: as a good dude. But Nicolae Ceaușescu is a bridge too far. Dude was bad and a big reason why "Communism Doesn't Work" got its hooks in.
Lots of hot takes. Lots of :LIB: thoughts. But when the conversation revolves around one of the worst Soviet Era leaders...
Well theres your problem ep 100 - "left-wing" anticommunism feat. Liam's dad
Pipeline runs right through Riyadh
Fossil Fuels have been a disaster for mankind in so many ways
WTYP is my guilty pleasure as a hardliner ML. I still cringe a little every time they talk about "state capitalism" and it annoys the shit out of me.
Yes. I'm not trying to brag but tbh sometimes it feels like the WTYP hosts remind me of where I was a few years ago when I was still a baby socialist. Like, I think I had mostly good takes and stuff, but still didn't buy that China was good and still had some vague notions about the USSR was sorta good/sorta bad, maybe in roughly equal proportions. I had these views only because I hadn't bothered to spend time to actually learn and research things.
The fact that noone could hear Liam's audio for a majority of the episode was kinda funny, even if it was literally the worst episode of a podcast that does have some really sorta bloated, kinda meh episodes.
Today's episode had some shit takes from both their guest Adam Something and the WTYP crew
This is it. The shit take was calling the soviet union a fascist empire in red paint which :cringe:.
I feel like there is no excuse when someone says that shit about the people who suffered most at the hands of fascism. Doesn't matter if they are your friend, doesn't matter if you dislike the USSR, calling is fucking fascist is the most privileged, insulting, and disgusting thing you can fucking say. Its not just wrong, its not just idiotic, it minimized fascism while denigrating its victims. Anyone who thinks that shit should be cut off the call asap, no excuses
Liberals and Ultras try not to relativise the Holocaust challenge (impossible).
it's literally racist in my opinion. Incredibly ignorant at least. that shit needs to be shut down where ever you see it
I'll give one a go then. The Soviet Union was intimately aware of counter-revolutionary forces in the world, both outside from America (military, CIA, and other funding projects) and from within (Bourgeois elements, Liberal idealogues, infiltrators). In order to maintain their government they had to take a number of security measures that are not democratic in the liberal sense, but to confuse this with facsist empirialism is not only disingenuous but completely ahistorical.
Comparison to facsism: definitely the worse part of the statement. The One Party state of the USSR sought to equally benefit all living under it, while in the early years this often meant hard times as they took off people were eating more, better food, people had better access to transport, affordable housing that could handle Russian conditions, they were pushing bounds in arts and sciences. The benefits of these were distributed broadly equally, more so than any country since barring maybe Cuba. There was not the kind of private centralisation that is typical under facsism, as much as people would like to make it seem that way.
Calling the USSR fascist also detracts from the victims of facsism. The victims of the Holocaust were murdered with such cruelty and in such numbers that has seen no reflection anywhere, barring maybe imperial Japan. The Paperclip Nazis that were imported to America often ended up working for things like MKUltra, continuing their cruelty in another fascist state. If you can look anyone in the eye and say the kulaks of the soviet union had it as bad as the Jews and other enemies of the nazis then you should log off and not come back, I have nothing to say to you.
Calling the USSR an Empire: They were the largest communist power and were looking to support other communist powers across the world. Did they send military arms to Cuba to intimidate the Americans? Yes. Did the Cubans want that? Yes, keeping the Americans away meant keeping gangsterismo in the past. Did the USSR crush a Hungarian strike with their military? Yes. Should they have? I would argue yes they probably should have. History has proven that all of these so-called "paranoid" security measures probably did keep the USSR afloat. Knowing what we know about Gladio in Italy there is no reason to doubt there wouldn't be similar acts being taken within the boarders of the Soviet Union.
Arguments the the USSR was a Fascist Empire are only ever in bad faith. They should be given no quarter anywhere, least of all here.
Liam's dad don't miss. every time, an absolute king with the takes
I remember WTYP saying that Stalin united with Hitler but I can't remember which episode it was.
all the other western powers had already made pacts with the nazis because they wanted them to take out the USSR
yep. the USSR tried to make treaties with the UK and France but the Chamberlain government was like "deal with commies? no way!" so the USSR ended up kind of being forced to make a non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany
Stalin tried to sign a mutual security agreement with the French and the Czechoslovakians (Hitler's first major conquest) in 1935. The USSR could have contained Germany with western assistance before WW2 even broke out but capitalists trusted Hitler more lol
Britain had just piece-mealed part of Russia after WWI and named it Poland.
The historic reasons for not wanting Russians there was pretty bunk. It had been Russia for about 200 years, then the Germans conquered it in WWI, and then the Germans gave it up as part of the treaty of Versailles.
Obviously that area has been contested historically, but it was basically a roundabout way of Britain stealing Russian land with German war gains and creating a buffer puppet state against the commies who were making the aristocracy really fucking nervous at this point.
Not too dissimilar to their usual tactics in Ireland, Africa, as well as Israel later on.
But, anyways, what I'm saying is the Brits didn't want them there because they were afraid of the commies and had nothing to do with the history of the land.
lmao imagine getting this owned by a trot boomer :chad-trotsky: :trot-shining:
