• LeninWeave [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      This is the opposite of americentrism - the Iraq war barely affected America at all, and basically destroyed the region, leading directly to ISIS.

      • JuneFall [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        It isn't americancentrist for happening in the US nor cause it happens outside of it. It is that, since it views the world only through the actions of the US and things do only happen when they are involved in it.

        • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          It's not americentrism, the Iraq war was a massive crime that hugely fucked up the region, affecting many of the world's most populated countries in the process.

          This is like saying WW2 is Eurocentric while ignoring the pacific and Mediterranian+ME theaters, just because Germany started it.

          • spectre [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Plus nobody is discounting the fact that other things have happened as well, the list of "defining moments of the century" is probably like 10-15 things long. 9/11 and covid-19 top it right now (still have 79 years for more shit to happen), but the Iraq war is very likely to make the cut even if it's not at the very top of the list.

            • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              9/11 absolutely does not top that list lmao. Now that's americentric. 9/11 was nothing compared to a litany of other shit that happened since 2000, much of which America perpetrated (and would have perpetrated anyways, even without 9/11).

              • spectre [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                I think you completely missed the point of my post

                • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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                  3 years ago

                  Your post lists 9/11 as more "defining" for the century than the Iraq war, which is literally laughable. Please explain to me if I'm still missing something.

                  As for your point that the title says "one of the most defining", yes, that's very true - but not the point of my reply.

                  • spectre [he/him]
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                    3 years ago

                    Tbh I'm not really interested in having a discussion with someone who calls what I say "laughable" without adding anything of substance.

                    • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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                      3 years ago

                      Look, I'm sorry for bothering you with the dismissive tone. However, I'm frankly offended by any comment putting 9/11 above the Iraq war by any metric at all, and nothing you followed up with convinces me that it's not just an unfortunate leap of chauvinism.

                      If you've got an actual rationale or something I'm missing, please do explain it to me - I'm interested in understanding.