I didn't even watch the video, but there's a lot of pure ideology going on in this thread. Too many fart huffing liberals for me to dunk on myself.
I didn't even watch the video, but there's a lot of pure ideology going on in this thread. Too many fart huffing liberals for me to dunk on myself.
It's not about appealing to chuds, it's about appealing to people who might actually be persuadable, but who aren't currently leftists. There are lots of folks out there who are receptive to all sorts of leftist ideas but balk at something as "tame" as calling Iraq and Afghanistan imperial wars.
If we had decades, maybe we could bring a decent chunk of non-chuds around to the idea that there are precious few things the U.S. has to be proud of. But we don't have the luxury of time, and it's not absolutely necessary to have that at the core of a socialist movement. That can be worked out after we figure out how to get some appreciable amount of political power (and then it'll probably be far easier).
Then they'd better learn. Liberals are not my comrades.
We can shit on libs all we want, but we can't run from the fact that we need to convince millions of them to see things our way if we want a snowball's chance in hell at getting anything significant done.
We need to get the "mass" part of a mass movement from somewhere. So where are we getting the bulk of people we'll need to seize state power (by whatever means you prefer) if we're writing off all the libs from the jump? Keep in mind that Bernie leaned hard into activating people who aren't ordinarily political, and while that had some success it wasn't close to enough by itself.
Almost every single person here was a lib at some point, and not a single one of us arrived here by leftists coddling us and saying that actually it's okay to be in favor of genocide.