and then answered with China.
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Whenever you need to talk about the NSA, FBI, CIA, etc, be sure to always call them the secret police first.
My grandmother used to be Dean of Women at a small community college in bumfuck nowhere during the 70's. She told me about multiple "students" they had that were actually undercover FBI agents. FBI would come occasionally and ask if she could provide names of "troublemakers." She swore to me that she never ratted anyone out (I don't believe that personally), but said they would run names by her to see if she could confirm. Again, she claimed to play dumb, but she also said they knew every name she might have said.
Dude's seen how the sausage gets made. Once you're behind the curtain, its pretty normal to get a jaded worldview where everyone sucks and you've just picked a team.
Some of the most cynical takes on religion I've heard have come from Priests, literally in the frocked collar and everything.
I think i would have whooped a single Joker laugh so loud the windows would have shattered
I just fucking stared in awe. Biggest in-person america moment I've had in a while. He started ranting about Taiwan and Hong Kong and Uighurs.
Ask your teacher about the century of humiliation, opium wars, and whether he thinks Chinese people would be better off under British, Japanese, or self rule.
Ask him whether he's aware that Han settlement in Xinjiang goes back millennia. Ask him if he's aware that the Hong Kong riots were triggered by a relatively mundane legal question over the lack of an extradition treaty after some psycho butchered his girlfriend in Taiwan and fucked off to HK, and ask him whether it's okay for anyone to get away with a crime like that.
Ask him if he's aware of the definition of chauvinism, or the necessity of national self-determination. So many fuckin questions idk where to begin.
USA has ~800 foreign military bases, China has 1 in Djibouti and were invited there by the local government due to sea piracy
Also a border outpost in Tajikistan, and a space area in Argentina
I heard about the space area lease but had forgotten, thanks. I'll have to read up on the Tajik thing
love those zombie lies that wander the earth despite being debunked since 1959
That Tibet has been an integral part of China for seven hundred years is held by all Chinese and recognized, at times with reservations, by all foreign powers. It is also the view of most Tibetans, though movements of secession have at times occurred, none of which rallied enough strength to succeed.
The historical relation of Tibet with China is usually taken as beginning in 641 A.D. when Tibet was first united under a strong central government, Tibet was again a part. The last time this happened was early in the present century when the Manchu Dynasty fell and China broke into spheres of warlords. In Tibet the Thirteenth Dalai Lama declared an "independence" that never became unanimous. Tibetan warlords fought Szechuan warlords for possession of a province marked on the maps of Chiang Kai-shek as Sikang. Chiang's government never succeeded in unifying the outer areas of China, neither Manchuria, Inner Mongolia, Sinkiang or Tibet. Yet even in this period, Tibetans sought the sanction of the Kuomin-tang government for the ordination of the Fourteenth Dalai Lama and the Tenth Panchen Erdeni. By 1942 and 1946, Tibet's local government, the kashag, was sending its deputies to Chiang's "National Congress of China", in Chungking and then in Nanking.
This loose yet permanent relation of Tibet within China has been recognized in the diplomacy of foreign powers. No foreign power in seven centuries has sent an ambassador to Lhasa or recognized Tibet as a separate nation. Even when Britain seized Lhasa by armed force in 1904 and dictated a treaty in the Potala Palace, the bill for the £750,000 indemnity was sent to the Emperor in Peking and collected from him.
from https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/strong-anna-louise/1959/tibet/ch03.htm
Christ, I'm sure they'll claim Beijing was invaded and occupied, when push comes to shove.
"They've been at war with Taiwan since day one! They are an occupying army! They are doing a fascism and you don't even care! Tankie! Tankie! Tankie!"
Nonsense. It says right here in my textbook that we have always been at war with Eurasia.
The US Has Been at war 225 out of 243 years since 1776: https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/595752-the-us-has-been-at-war-225-out-of-243-years-since-1776
Those Chinese are so jingoist and militaristic, we really ought to invade or nuke the fuckers, am I right fellow PATRIOTS?
Time to be that argumentative jerk in class. Crack some books so you can own your teacher.
obviously not militarily, but you could argue culturally china can compete with the US in terms of nationalistic pride. i think people here underestimate how culturally jingoistic a sizable portion of china is from my experience
that said the US is obviously exceptionally evil and makes china look like a dove on the world stage
Considering that China isn't founded on settler colonialism, genocide, and chattel slavery, I'd say Chinese nationalism is inevitable gonna be less toxic than US nationalism.
I could say "Read Lenin". Instead, I'm going to ask - do you think national liberation movements to throw off the yoke of imperialism are bad?
Liberation is good. Nationalism as a tool to accomplish it is a double-edged sword.
China is a sovereign entity, if you have that jingoistic pride bullshit going on after you become independant and a major power player in the world then yes, it is bad to be nationalistic
All nationalism is toxic, don’t fool yourself
after you become independant
OK, so already we agree that not all nationalism is toxic. I'm not quit this conversation because I'm not interested in a pointless struggle session over how established a country is allowed to be before any form of nationalism is bad.
guy defending a country he's never been to
:PIGPOOPBALLS:
That's a silly argument, most of the countries we want to defend we've never been to.
I literally will never stick up for a nation online and I think people who do it are weird simps
Actually, I have been to China. I took a picture in Tiananmen square.
Based on the modlog entries, this user's been having a real normal one for the past 10 days.
They are from the Youtube comments I've seen from Chinese people, but at least they have some good reasons to huff their farts
i disagree that nationalism to such a degree is ever a force for good unless directed at a widely agreed upon evil, (nazis/poverty/etc..)
Chinese nationalism tends to go hand in hand with anti-imperialism and pro-socialism, and has ever since the Mao era.
from my experience that is not quite accurate? a lot I've seen is hate towards figures that interact with or employ Taiwanese/Japanese ppl as well as jingoistic attitudes towards the surrounding areas
pro/anti socialism is mostly absent from what I've seen, although I'm sure in the average citizen there prolly is more pro gov attitude while not being as remotly vitriolic towards percived others
TBH, I'm a little annoyed we found a way to shit on China in this thread specifically, regardless of how true or false it is. Mocking a jingoistic reaction against China by... agreeing with it?
Comparing Chinese patriotism and American patriotism is, IMO, mistaken. Regardless of what some Chinese people comment on YouTube. The two countries aren't even close, and equivocating over this as much as we are is giving this chud teacher way more credit than he deserves.
yeah because everyone here knows America is the great satan, and that chuds are idiots, not much more room for convo besides maybe talking about the statement and what half-truths there maybe if it was coming from a leftist's mouth instead of a deranged teacher
and obviously if this came from a leftists mouth it would be just as stupid, but there might be a somewhat coherent (wrong) argument for it by them
Literally have not seen anyone here describe it as utopian or paradisiacal, when it comes down to it I don't know jack shit about China either but that doesn't mean we have to tolerate hypocritical history professors refusing to show their damn hog.
Anyway socialism is an international project which means we give critical support at home, but if you're one of those people who thinks China's a capitalist country with a red paint job, at least realize that the U.S.'s national propaganda is creating a bigoted atmosphere that is hostile and dangerous to east Asian people here.
So, I didn't do higher education, can people just kinda be wrong and there's nothing you can do about it? I turned my high school social studies teacher Marxist by basing every bit of work on it. Had an end of year essay about the fundamental nature of competition that he actually took me aside and said it was one of the best things he's read and it changed his fundamental views.
18 year old me was pretty speechless. I wasn't trying all THAT hard. I think I got to him at the right time in his life as well.
I mean, yeah, kinda. There was a guy around here pushing The Bell Curve or something insane like that and it took ages for him to get censured
I think the sign that I've gone off the deep end is when my Marxist (self admitted Marxist but obviously more sympathetic to anarchism!???!) polisci professor referred to the USSR as totalitarian as if the USA isn't even fucking worse
I never realized how batshit insane the USA was when I was like 6 years old, some of the shit that came out after 9/11 was like WTF levels of jingoism
I hate the word "totalitarianism" and the racist Arendt who helped popularize it in service of McCarthyism
[looks around at gig workers and people selling plasma while NSA monitors every electronic communication and nothing is replicated in mass media unless it is individualistic and encourages profit seeking]
gee yeah, it's so weird that the mode of production touches all aspects of one's life and determines your material conditions
I just assume that people who lob around accusations of "authoritarianism" and "totalitarianism" instead of making specific criticisms are liberals and not worth my time.
to liberals it means "any exercise of power that I can't see directly benefitting me"
Marxist (self admitted Marxist but obviously more sympathetic to anarchism!???!) polisci professor referred to the USSR as totalitarian
Ultra lottery - Kautsky or Trotsky?
Edit: not that Kautskyites are ultras lmao.
MOTHERFUCKER DID YOU LIVE THROUGH 9/11 AND THE COLLECTIVE INSANITY THAT FOLLOWED???
