Posted the wrong link and now I've lost it, sorry folks, not like you can actual go dunk anyway :shrug

    • Mrtryfe [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Are you saying humans are except from evolution and Darwinism because we live in societies?

      Darwin himself didn't have a whole lot to say in regards to humanity's place within his framework on evolution, and much of that had to do with the complexity of human societies. There is no hard or fast rule to any of this, and still holds true to this day.

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Are you saying humans are except from evolution and Darwinism because we live in societies?

      You need to understand the selection process. It seems at first that this whole circus is "selecting" based on intelligence yes? But the reality is because we live in societies as you put it, intelligence is not the dominant factor here but rather a large combination of factors, intelligent people can do stupid things if society enforces it, just look at any religion.

      Intelligence here isn't just whatever libs think of IQ but simply access to information and education. So when you think these chuds are "stupid" and so are being selected out based on some form of inherent intelligence, it will turn out you are actually selecting based on whether someone was lucky enough to go to school or have access to factual information instead of garbage.

      All of the joke examples I listed were only jokes because I expect someone to understand that there is nothing related to evolution when you get a drone missile to the face or you are born as a poor African child.

      Chuds deserve dunking and I have no sympathy for them, but nobody should go down the path of "this is good actualy because something something Darwinism".

    • sagarmatha [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      unironically yes, we are evolving in a way that's very different from natural selection imperatives because we have not been tethered to them for a while (probably since the agriculture revolution)

        • sagarmatha [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          social imperatives are by definition not natural selection, ants if anything should be considered as having social natural selection, since their common interaction does not affect their behavior over the long term, and they evolve to face natural threats, having homeless people die on the streets is simply the result of artificial society standards as to who matters, same reason why i am not purely a materialist, since ideas (or more truthfully institutions, laws...) have an actual impact in human societies, separating them from the purely material natural selection, helped by the fact we have no natural predator and medicine of course

            • sagarmatha [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              do you know about Darwin? natural selection clearly doesn't entail social processes now on whether ideas are material, i think the issue is around whether the material conditions lead to the ideas or if it can be vice versa sometimes, which is what i believe is increasingly true, now that everything is built on a materialist basis at the start anyways is obvious, but this is a philosophical conversation and doesn't pertain to the fact that social processes are clearly not natural selection (unless you're fash or in fash world)