Defend China. How is it currently socialist?

Some things to respond to (the gatcha questions):

The rapid expansion of capital, foreign and local, and the reemergence of capital accumulation as a production goal in the end of the 20th century

The existence of megacorporations, especially private megacorporations such as tencent and foxconn

the state of labor rights in the aforementioned megacorporations, and the state of labor rights in the industrial sector as a whole

The repression of marxist and leftist protest and critique of the current state of the system

The apparent lack of repression of non-leftist critique (I could easily be convinced that this is just because they're amplified by American media)

The great firewall (I could be convinced this is protectionism to avoid Western silicon valley capitalism's supremacy on the internet)

The social credit system

idk i guess talk about the Uyghurs if you want, but I don't really want that to become the entire discussion, as it has a tendency to be, so if you talk about that, don't make it the entirety of your defense or attack

and let's try to keep this relatively civil? Like, a random post and argument between some leftists on the internet isn't actually going to like, collapse china's rising economic and political power into nothing. We can't actually do shit about china, good or not, so try not to make this a flame war?

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    Imagine what would happen if the Chinese government suddenly decided to become a proper communist state with democratic worker ownership, full equality, etc. China would destabilize and its economy would probably plummet since it wouldn't be able to do all the nasty things that capitalism does. The US would then exploit that weakness and possibly overthrow the CCP and replace it with a right wing dictatorship.

    Alternatively, China can bide time building up its economy which will eventually surpass the US (and who knows, maybe the US will collapse on its own). Once China is significantly "stronger" than the US, they can theoretically convert to a proper socialist state without interference.

    Does this situation suck? Yeah, very much. I feel like it's the smart thing to do, though.

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        I agree that the CCP is probably not socialist through-and-through, and that is certainly concerning. On the other hand, the fact that the party maintains dominance over capital and throws billionaires in jail is encouraging. All it would take is a strong China and a capable socialist hardliner to lead it to form a proper socialist state.

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