Defend China. How is it currently socialist?

Some things to respond to (the gatcha questions):

The rapid expansion of capital, foreign and local, and the reemergence of capital accumulation as a production goal in the end of the 20th century

The existence of megacorporations, especially private megacorporations such as tencent and foxconn

the state of labor rights in the aforementioned megacorporations, and the state of labor rights in the industrial sector as a whole

The repression of marxist and leftist protest and critique of the current state of the system

The apparent lack of repression of non-leftist critique (I could easily be convinced that this is just because they're amplified by American media)

The great firewall (I could be convinced this is protectionism to avoid Western silicon valley capitalism's supremacy on the internet)

The social credit system

idk i guess talk about the Uyghurs if you want, but I don't really want that to become the entire discussion, as it has a tendency to be, so if you talk about that, don't make it the entirety of your defense or attack

and let's try to keep this relatively civil? Like, a random post and argument between some leftists on the internet isn't actually going to like, collapse china's rising economic and political power into nothing. We can't actually do shit about china, good or not, so try not to make this a flame war?

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    • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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      People are sacrificing their whole lives for a project which is untested

      Is there a better, more proven alternative? If not, any attempt to move society left would be considered "a project which is untested."

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        • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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          However, the centralism required by the Dengist project means China is putting all of it’s eggs in one basket and sacraficing it’s citizen’s lives to do so.

          If there's not a better alternative, yeah, this sucks, but it might be making the best of a bad situation. Sometimes there are no good options -- look at the upcoming election.

          In that case it seems to me supporting the CCP is likely to set leftist movements back.

          For me, this is where the concept of critical support comes in. You don't have to support everything China does, or even most of what it does, but you can push back against racism and U.S. propaganda, and acknowledge where they do things right. No one is suggesting we just copy/paste China's government onto the U.S., anyway -- any sort of leftist project in the U.S. is going to be a mix of ideas from other countries plus whatever ideas we come up with on our own.

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    • RedDawn [he/him]
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      In fact, the approach China has taken means it has also developed a strong capitalist class.

      Not really, there are capitalists in China with a lot of economic power, but they don’t constitute a “strong capitalist class”. Look at who constitutes the membership of CCP committee, especially as you go higher up. The capitalist class, to the extent that it even exists as a class in China, has no political power and is under the thumb of the Communist Party.