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  • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    ...some of the best engineers in the world trying to build an impossible thing.

    Something tells me that these were not in fact, the best engineers in the world if they knew a project was impossible and tried to make it anyway. I feel like the "best" engineers in the world would try and make things that are actually practical and possible in our reality.

    • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      Rather than looking at trains and thinking, if we build those we can sell tickets, they looked at shareholders and the government and thought, I bet we could fleece them. We're seeing the military effects of this, too, with neoliberales looking shocked as to why more and more funding doesn't automatically equal more and more armaments. Commodity production detached from anything with the use value that makes the commodity a commodity.

      I think the practical is the most important factor, here. It's hard to know how one of the world's richest billionaires can get so deep into a project that has an exchange value but no use value. This is what happens when imperialists dismiss productive capital, and become parasitic on government grants, defrauded shareholders, and asset stripping. It was the same with crypto and nfts.

      • mughaloid@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        it is because as Vijay Prashad said US billionaires hid their monies in illicit tax havens in UK and EU. And there is no state control to put those monies back into infrastructure but Elon musk sure have his pet projects like Mars colonization and Hyperloopy , I mean why not Elon and military industrial complex don't get why ordinary people need food and stuff.

        • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
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          1 year ago

          Musk's "Mars colonization" project will end up the exact same way as his "hyperloop". One day it will simply and quietly be declared dead and everyone will forget about it. (Meanwhile China and Russia will be building a moon base together.)

            • Hexbear2 [any]
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              1 year ago

              Rockets have always been a dead-end technology. Humanity will never get to the next step in space race, which is economical mineral mining of the asteroid belt, until the world unites and builds a space port in Peru. The very best place to launch is at the equator (fastest angular velocity) at the highest mountain--Basically, somewhere in the Andes. The way to do it is to build a tube up the side of a mountain, make it miles long, and use electromagnetic rails to accelerate the space capsule, it cuts the cost of launch by 99%. This will allow payloads to be launched and for space assembly of larger modules to go do asteroid mining. NASA has known this is the future for decades now, but instead of doing this, we have shitty rocket 1960s technology from Elon Musk. I hate him.

              More on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarTram

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Well, to be fair, the hyperloop was in many respects a fraud used to test out technology intended for Mars (like boring). That said, I think Mars is the pie in the sky that Musk will never abandon while he is still pitching projects to rubes because it is so much easier to "postpone" than civilian infrastructure

  • WittyProfileName2 [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    "Poor economic choices" is building functioning railways that people use.

    As opposed to the good economic choice of HS2 where you plan to build a London to Manchester rail in 12 years, and then proceed to spend 6 years building nothing before announcing your rail-line that doesn't exist is actually only going to go to Birmingham now.

    No, I'm not envious of china being able to actually build railways while TERF island just plans to spend ~a decade imagining how cool it'd be if they hypothetically had a railway. /s

    • loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      "No rail-less nations are building rails" shows the infantile level at which this guy's brain operates. Global north countries are steadily showing a decline in living conditions while most global south countries don't have the economic sovereignty to invest in public infrastructure. Rail-less nations are not building rails because of neoliberal austerity not because it is not a sound investment.

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        • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          until around the 60s, until a bunch of car factories moved in and started pressuring the government to not only invest more on roads, but to abandon passenger trains altogether as an "incentive" for people to buy cars.

          Is there any connection to the military dictatorship here?

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            6 months ago

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            • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              Thanks! Worst case scenario, I've got some friends who are Brazilian liberals who the article will be interesting to discuss with.

    • hellvolution@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      China doesn’t count because they are ruled by the revolutionary popular power, not by a bloody dictatorship controlled by oligarchs as normal “democracies”

  • DankZedong @lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    Billions of dollars essentially gone to shit only to come up with trains but in tunnels and failing drastically

    • 7bicycles [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Wasn't the hyperloop supposed to be pod based in some far back concept iteration? It's not even train in tunnel, that's just a subway, it's gadgetbahn in tunnels

        • HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org
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          1 year ago

          Isambard Brunel, one of history's great engineers, tried to make one in the 1800s.

          The project failed due to materials science limits of the day (leather seals for high vacuum)

          So he went back to building normal, non-silly railways.

          So it's fair to say "maybe we didn't have the technology 150 years ago" but that also means you know exactly what mistakes to not repeat. Of course, this assumes a good-faith operation, not a placebo promised to keep people from demanding normal, non-silly railways in thr first place.

  • loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    Read the replies to the Hyperloop tweet to see what a neoliberalism-poisoned PhD brain and its worshippers looks like. Gems like "the idea would have been viable with infinite money" and that the point of failure was the tunneling, which is literally the first step of the whole concept.

  • olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    sure, an efficient country wide logistics network is a poor economic choice compared to a gamer tunnel that glogs and you can get out

  • FuckyWucky [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    xigma-male stay mad, liberals. stonks-up

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  • tamagotchicowboy [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    If you aren't this no material analysis sort frankly they won't consider you in some fields/schools for a PhD, its all by design. If you have seen the grass outside you are unfit for the ivory halls.