• PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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    Yes, Noam has always been a VBNMW drone, but the shit he's said this year has gone well beyond that. I struggle to condemn Noam outright because Manufacturing Consent was a generally materialist and essentially timed critique of mass media, but lately he has been offering very little for the movement.

    Edit: as for Democracy Now. Yeah, I suppose they have never been hardline radicals, but when I was involved in Occupy Wall Street, I felt they were among the very few outlets who gave us a fair shake. Ideologically I suppose you could say Amy Goodman is a liberal, but if so, she is one of the few liberals who actually has principles.

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      I don't see why we need to uphold a guy for saying what we all already knew, that the media is full of shit. Beside which, Noam is shit even as a fucking Linguist. I have no respect for a guy who thinks that he can just theorize without actually putting the time and effort into doing fieldwork.

      • LamontCranston [any]
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        Noam is shit even as a fucking Linguist. I have no respect for a guy who thinks that he can just theorize without actually putting the time and effort into doing fieldwork.

        lol you don't know what you're saying and are parroting rightwing critics, you love to see it folks.

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          Lol, "right wing critics" is when you expect someone who works in a social science to actually do the leggings of actually doing fieldwork instead of, as Chomsky himself admits about his thesis, skipping over actually collecting data on Hebrew as it is actually spoken since "he already knew the language", and even then, admits he isn't all that good with Modern Hebrew.

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            The only people who try to attack his professional work in discussions of his political writings are on the right. It's a basic ad hom.

            What is this field work you keep talking about? Oh god no, did you read that Tom Wolfe book?

            • ComradeBobRojavakian [he/him]
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              No, I actually read what Noam has to say about his own fucking work himself. I'm never heard of Tom Wolfe's book.

              When I got to college, I had to do an undergraduate thesis. I was in linguistics then, so I figured, “OK, I’ll write about Hebrew. It’s kind of interesting.” I started the way I was taught to: You get an informant, and you do field work and take a corpus. So I started working with an informant, and I realized after a couple of weeks, this is totally idiotic. I know the answers to all the questions. And the only thing I don’t know is the phonetics, but I don’t care about that. So I just dropped the informant and started doing it myself. https://chomsky.info/20101112/

              Lol, imagine me going to Japan as an anthropologist, say, "fuck this fieldwork bullshit, I know everything about Japan from being a Weabo" and then write a thesis on Japanese culture based solely on my consumption of Japanese mass media.

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                Its based on speaking the language. Thats not being a weabo.