I'm not changing the subject. You guys keep harassing me and shitting on me and I'm just trying to have a conversation here and figure out what your deal is.
You have yet to shed the arrogance of having and sharing opinions about things you’ve never read about.
So what you're saying is that once I read all of Marx/Lenin/Stalin/Mao then I'll be converted to your faith/philosophy?
My entire comment was telling you that you don't know what communism is and your response was to claim alignment with some standard anarchist-adjascent figures. Do I need to explain why this is changing the subject or can you big a big cool adult and figure it out yourself?
You guys keep harassing me and shitting on me
Because you're acting in bad faith and trying to get gotchas on a topic where you are an absolute dumbfuck. I've explained your exact confusion about terminology many times on this site to people who know how to ask questions about things they don't understand rather than arriving with impregnable ignorance.
I’m just trying to have a conversation here and figure out what your deal is.
You talk like this irl? How often do people roll their eyes or just start ignoring you? You've presented a very basic ignorance of the topic you're trying to discuss and keep trying to troll about China when people actually try to take you seriously.
I get it. Your political education begins and ends with V*ush or the political compass and a little Wikipedia or something. That does not actually grant you license to be an arrogant little prick.
So what you’re saying is that once I read all of Marx/Lenin/Stalin/Mao then I’ll be converted to your faith/philosophy?
Perfect example of you being a bad-faith pissbaby.
claim alignment with some standard anarchist-adjascent figures.
Anarcho-Communists. That's my point. There are many flavors of communism.
Do I need to explain why this is changing the subject or can you big a big cool adult and figure it out yourself?
Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every leftist has a place in our community. Discussing differences in theory is fine and encouraged, just don't make it personal. Remember: Sectarianism is liberalism. We will ban you if you insult, demean or harass anyone. That is not welcome behavior.
Because you’re acting in bad faith
I'm explicitly telling you the truth - I am acting in GOOD faith. I want to know the answers to my questions. I'm NOT looking for "gotchas". I'm trying to have a conversation. But you guys keep getting all confrontational.
you are an absolute dumbfuck.
We will ban you if you insult, demean or harass anyone.
people who know how to ask questions about things they don’t understand
Oh, is there an etiquette that I'm missing here? Am I supposed to rephrase my questions so I don't offend you?
You talk like this irl? How often do people roll their eyes or just start ignoring you?
I do. And not very often. I tend to surround myself with people who treat others with respect.
You’ve presented a very basic ignorance of the topic you’re trying to discuss and keep trying to troll about China when people actually try to take you seriously.
Ok, obviously I'm "ignorant". But I am not trying to troll anyone. I promise you that. I may just be "the dumbest human on the planet" in your eyes. Sure, granted. Can we just get over that and act like adults?
Your political education begins and ends with V*ush or the political compass and a little Wikipedia or something.
I do enjoy a good Wikipedia session.
That does not actually grant you license to be an arrogant little prick.
If I'm coming off as arrogant, I apologize. Sometimes I'm not self-aware enough to realize that I'm coming off that way. I honestly just ask questions to know the answers. I don't have an ulterior motive. I'm not trying to prove a point. I'm just asking a question because I want to know the answer.
I know you've probably encountered a lot of snarky bullshitters in the past, and maybe you're paranoid and just paint any newcomer with the same brush. But I assure you, I am not one of them.
Anarcho-Communists. That’s my point. There are many flavors of communism.
Which doesn't actually address what I'm saying, but you'd have to know what I mean when I say you don't know what communism is. As a lib who's coping poorly, you neglected to actually try and understand what I'm talking about and asking those questions you claim you've been posing. You got defensive and doubled down: you actually think, despite not doing the reading, that you might know better. And when presented with contradiction, you fail to do the honest thing because of your ego. Get over it, lib. Try to actually contend with the challenges presented to you, not just make excuses. We know you're ignorant of this topic. You know you're ignorant of this topic. Stop making piss-poor attempts at dunking if you want people to help you understand.
Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every leftist has a place in our community. (...)
Nothing I've said is sectarian, lol. I love my actual ancom and ml etc et ccomrades. Unfortunately, you are a liberal who's barely begun their political education and, more relevantly to this discussion, you are acting in bad faith.
But I love imagining you scrolling through to try and find me violating "da rules". You cannot get more R*ddit cope troll than that.
I’m explicitly telling you the truth - I am acting in GOOD faith.
Bullshit. Your little attempts at gotcha questions are obvious bad-faith, attempting to deflect from answering the point or question. You have yet to actually make any real attempt to contend with the idea that you don't know what communism is. Everyone's telling you that you don't, but your only way of coping is to lash out or make excuses. This is a dishonest, but understandable, reaction to criticism, particularly for someone who's clearly an immature lib.
I want to know the answers to my questions.
Even the rhetorical ones? lol
Like I said, you can have answers to your questions when you show some humility. You have yet to admit to literally any poor actions despite the many examples, you just keep doubling down on your bullshit.
I’m NOT looking for “gotchas”.
This kind of lying is why nobody takes you seriously here.
I’m trying to have a conversation. But you guys keep getting all confrontational.
You've clearly done zero introspection, otherwise you'd be able to recognize that the confrontation in this thread began with your attempts at mocking.
We will ban you if you insult, demean or harass anyone.
:PIGPOOPBALLS:
You are clearly unfamiliar with how we treat trolls.
Oh, is there an etiquette that I’m missing here? Am I supposed to rephrase my questions so I don’t offend you?
Knowing things before having and sharing opinions is etiquette? A lack of that causes offense? What?
I can tell when you're reaching at straws to cope. You can just not do that any time.
I do. And not very often. I tend to surround myself with people who treat others with respect.
Yeah you just roll into the convo with your ML buds with, "Yeah, China sucks. They’re red-fash. Fuck fascists." Nobody pushes back or ignores you, it's just buddy times when you ignorantly attack their politics with V*ush-tier thinking.
Ok, obviously I’m “ignorant”.
Remove the scare quotes and yes, about the topic you keep trying to stir shit about you are deeply ignorant. You haven't done the reading. At all. You don't even know what the word communist references in its different senses, which honestly requires very little theory to understand - you could even get away with none and understand your confusion by just actually caring enough to read a little about it. Or ask in good faith, as opposed to pulling a Leroy Jenkins on a commie community.
But I am not trying to troll anyone. I promise you that. I may just be “the dumbest human on the planet” in your eyes. Sure, granted. Can we just get over that and act like adults?
I've been very clear about what bar you need to clear for being taken seriously by me. You need to actually be humble. That isn't just a mea culpa, it's actually acting in good faith: no more gotcha questions about something you don't understand. If I answer your question or point, you actually contend with it rather than deflecting. You are not unique in having this pattern of defensiveness and you'll never be able to understand this shit - let alone misleading others - until you can do basic self-criticism.
Example: attempting to attack me because I presumably also make mistakes is not good-faith behavior, it's excuse-making for your own poor behavior rather than recognizing it and attempting to move forward.
I do enjoy a good Wikipedia session.
Yes, it is obvious that this and Reddit are the entirety of your political education.
If I’m coming off as arrogant, I apologize. Sometimes I’m not self-aware enough to realize that I’m coming off that way. I honestly just ask questions to know the answers. I don’t have an ulterior motive. I’m not trying to prove a point. I’m just asking a question because I want to know the answer.
"Yeah, China sucks. They’re red-fash. Fuck fascists."
You say this despite not even knowing the basic senses of the word "communist". I'm treating you like you aren't generally incompetent, just a normal human who is arrogant and doesn't know how to recognize their own arrogance. You apparently didn't recognize that knowing the very basics of the term communism might be important for discussing China and making comments about its communist-ness. You felt, rather, confident in your dismissive sinophobia, sinophobia that we all know has rubbed off on you from your :reddit-logo: culture because hey, enough people on the internet said it right? No need to actually read history or theory or fuck even just a dictionary.
There are many examples of this kind of shit in your comment history and it's why everyone is dunking on you.
I will appreciate the apology when your behavior course-corrects and you actually recognize some specific errors you've made.
I know you’ve probably encountered a lot of snarky bullshitters in the past, and maybe you’re paranoid and just paint any newcomer with the same brush. But I assure you, I am not one of them.
Buddy you are identical to 80% of R*dditors aside from some aesthetic choices and it has nothing to do with this site.
You have yet to actually make any real attempt to contend with the idea that you don’t know what communism is.
Again, there are many flavors of communism. Communism isn't just one thing. And everyone can have their own idea of what it "is".
In my view, it is a stateless society free from hierarchy, in which everyone's needs are met, through nonviolence if possible.
little attempts at gotcha questions
Again, your interpretation of this tells me more about you than it does anything else. I am doing nothing of the sort.
You are clearly unfamiliar with how we treat trolls.
I know exactly how we treat trolls, and that's why I never expected ME to be treated as one. Because I WAS acting in good faith, and I WAS asking questions and engaging in the conversation, rather than trolling and insulting.
Knowing things before having and sharing opinions is etiquette?
Honestly, in my experience, etiquette is not treating people like shit. But that's just me.
you just roll into the convo with your ML buds with, “Yeah, China sucks. They’re red-fash. Fuck fascists.” Nobody pushes back or ignores you
Again, I'm 40 years old. I don't have time to "hang out" with people. I have a kid in little league. I have a job. I have my wife's bake shop to help out with. I have shit to take care of. I have reality to deal with. I don't have time to "shoot the shit with my marxist buddies." I don't HAVE any Marxist buddies. If I do have "free time" to "hang out" with anyone, it's with family or my two closest friends from way back, who I love, but who I don't talk politics with, for the most part. Most of the family are actually conservatives or centrist/liberals. They're not bad people. They don't mean anyone any harm, nor do their actions contain any malice. Of my two best friends, one is a conservative and the other is a liberal. They're good people. They're my friends.
That's why I thought Hexbear would be cool. To actually get to talk politics with people who know what they're talking about, and learn more. Maybe MAKE some friendships with other like-minded individuals.
You don’t even know what the word communist references in its different senses
How can you honestly say this? What do you want me to do? Copy/paste shit? Is this some sort of test? Jesus.
This is LITERALLY why I've said that there are different "flavors" of communism. Because the basics of communism - a stateless society in which goods and services are distributed equitably to each according to their needs - is a given. It should be obvious.
Unless I'm wrong? Is that NOT the definition of communism?
If I answer your question or point, you actually contend with it rather than deflecting.
I am 100% on board with that. Are you ready to do that? Or do you just want to keep "dunking" on me?
I am an anarcho-communist.
Interesting given that you don't know what communism is
My philosophy aligns more with Bakunin, Kropotkin, and Bookchin than it does Marx/Lenin/Stalin/Mao etc.
You're changing the subject, pissbaby.
You have yet to shed the arrogance of having and sharing opinions about things you've never read about.
I'm not changing the subject. You guys keep harassing me and shitting on me and I'm just trying to have a conversation here and figure out what your deal is.
So what you're saying is that once I read all of Marx/Lenin/Stalin/Mao then I'll be converted to your faith/philosophy?
My entire comment was telling you that you don't know what communism is and your response was to claim alignment with some standard anarchist-adjascent figures. Do I need to explain why this is changing the subject or can you big a big cool adult and figure it out yourself?
Because you're acting in bad faith and trying to get gotchas on a topic where you are an absolute dumbfuck. I've explained your exact confusion about terminology many times on this site to people who know how to ask questions about things they don't understand rather than arriving with impregnable ignorance.
You talk like this irl? How often do people roll their eyes or just start ignoring you? You've presented a very basic ignorance of the topic you're trying to discuss and keep trying to troll about China when people actually try to take you seriously.
I get it. Your political education begins and ends with V*ush or the political compass and a little Wikipedia or something. That does not actually grant you license to be an arrogant little prick.
Perfect example of you being a bad-faith pissbaby.
Anarcho-Communists. That's my point. There are many flavors of communism.
Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every leftist has a place in our community. Discussing differences in theory is fine and encouraged, just don't make it personal. Remember: Sectarianism is liberalism. We will ban you if you insult, demean or harass anyone. That is not welcome behavior.
I'm explicitly telling you the truth - I am acting in GOOD faith. I want to know the answers to my questions. I'm NOT looking for "gotchas". I'm trying to have a conversation. But you guys keep getting all confrontational.
We will ban you if you insult, demean or harass anyone.
Oh, is there an etiquette that I'm missing here? Am I supposed to rephrase my questions so I don't offend you?
I do. And not very often. I tend to surround myself with people who treat others with respect.
Ok, obviously I'm "ignorant". But I am not trying to troll anyone. I promise you that. I may just be "the dumbest human on the planet" in your eyes. Sure, granted. Can we just get over that and act like adults?
I do enjoy a good Wikipedia session.
If I'm coming off as arrogant, I apologize. Sometimes I'm not self-aware enough to realize that I'm coming off that way. I honestly just ask questions to know the answers. I don't have an ulterior motive. I'm not trying to prove a point. I'm just asking a question because I want to know the answer.
I know you've probably encountered a lot of snarky bullshitters in the past, and maybe you're paranoid and just paint any newcomer with the same brush. But I assure you, I am not one of them.
Which doesn't actually address what I'm saying, but you'd have to know what I mean when I say you don't know what communism is. As a lib who's coping poorly, you neglected to actually try and understand what I'm talking about and asking those questions you claim you've been posing. You got defensive and doubled down: you actually think, despite not doing the reading, that you might know better. And when presented with contradiction, you fail to do the honest thing because of your ego. Get over it, lib. Try to actually contend with the challenges presented to you, not just make excuses. We know you're ignorant of this topic. You know you're ignorant of this topic. Stop making piss-poor attempts at dunking if you want people to help you understand.
Nothing I've said is sectarian, lol. I love my actual ancom and ml etc et ccomrades. Unfortunately, you are a liberal who's barely begun their political education and, more relevantly to this discussion, you are acting in bad faith.
But I love imagining you scrolling through to try and find me violating "da rules". You cannot get more R*ddit cope troll than that.
Bullshit. Your little attempts at gotcha questions are obvious bad-faith, attempting to deflect from answering the point or question. You have yet to actually make any real attempt to contend with the idea that you don't know what communism is. Everyone's telling you that you don't, but your only way of coping is to lash out or make excuses. This is a dishonest, but understandable, reaction to criticism, particularly for someone who's clearly an immature lib.
Even the rhetorical ones? lol
Like I said, you can have answers to your questions when you show some humility. You have yet to admit to literally any poor actions despite the many examples, you just keep doubling down on your bullshit.
This kind of lying is why nobody takes you seriously here.
You've clearly done zero introspection, otherwise you'd be able to recognize that the confrontation in this thread began with your attempts at mocking.
:PIGPOOPBALLS:
You are clearly unfamiliar with how we treat trolls.
Knowing things before having and sharing opinions is etiquette? A lack of that causes offense? What?
I can tell when you're reaching at straws to cope. You can just not do that any time.
Yeah you just roll into the convo with your ML buds with, "Yeah, China sucks. They’re red-fash. Fuck fascists." Nobody pushes back or ignores you, it's just buddy times when you ignorantly attack their politics with V*ush-tier thinking.
Remove the scare quotes and yes, about the topic you keep trying to stir shit about you are deeply ignorant. You haven't done the reading. At all. You don't even know what the word communist references in its different senses, which honestly requires very little theory to understand - you could even get away with none and understand your confusion by just actually caring enough to read a little about it. Or ask in good faith, as opposed to pulling a Leroy Jenkins on a commie community.
I've been very clear about what bar you need to clear for being taken seriously by me. You need to actually be humble. That isn't just a mea culpa, it's actually acting in good faith: no more gotcha questions about something you don't understand. If I answer your question or point, you actually contend with it rather than deflecting. You are not unique in having this pattern of defensiveness and you'll never be able to understand this shit - let alone misleading others - until you can do basic self-criticism.
Example: attempting to attack me because I presumably also make mistakes is not good-faith behavior, it's excuse-making for your own poor behavior rather than recognizing it and attempting to move forward.
Yes, it is obvious that this and Reddit are the entirety of your political education.
"Yeah, China sucks. They’re red-fash. Fuck fascists."
You say this despite not even knowing the basic senses of the word "communist". I'm treating you like you aren't generally incompetent, just a normal human who is arrogant and doesn't know how to recognize their own arrogance. You apparently didn't recognize that knowing the very basics of the term communism might be important for discussing China and making comments about its communist-ness. You felt, rather, confident in your dismissive sinophobia, sinophobia that we all know has rubbed off on you from your :reddit-logo: culture because hey, enough people on the internet said it right? No need to actually read history or theory or fuck even just a dictionary.
There are many examples of this kind of shit in your comment history and it's why everyone is dunking on you.
I will appreciate the apology when your behavior course-corrects and you actually recognize some specific errors you've made.
Buddy you are identical to 80% of R*dditors aside from some aesthetic choices and it has nothing to do with this site.
Again, there are many flavors of communism. Communism isn't just one thing. And everyone can have their own idea of what it "is".
In my view, it is a stateless society free from hierarchy, in which everyone's needs are met, through nonviolence if possible.
Again, your interpretation of this tells me more about you than it does anything else. I am doing nothing of the sort.
I know exactly how we treat trolls, and that's why I never expected ME to be treated as one. Because I WAS acting in good faith, and I WAS asking questions and engaging in the conversation, rather than trolling and insulting.
Honestly, in my experience, etiquette is not treating people like shit. But that's just me.
Again, I'm 40 years old. I don't have time to "hang out" with people. I have a kid in little league. I have a job. I have my wife's bake shop to help out with. I have shit to take care of. I have reality to deal with. I don't have time to "shoot the shit with my marxist buddies." I don't HAVE any Marxist buddies. If I do have "free time" to "hang out" with anyone, it's with family or my two closest friends from way back, who I love, but who I don't talk politics with, for the most part. Most of the family are actually conservatives or centrist/liberals. They're not bad people. They don't mean anyone any harm, nor do their actions contain any malice. Of my two best friends, one is a conservative and the other is a liberal. They're good people. They're my friends.
That's why I thought Hexbear would be cool. To actually get to talk politics with people who know what they're talking about, and learn more. Maybe MAKE some friendships with other like-minded individuals.
How can you honestly say this? What do you want me to do? Copy/paste shit? Is this some sort of test? Jesus.
This is LITERALLY why I've said that there are different "flavors" of communism. Because the basics of communism - a stateless society in which goods and services are distributed equitably to each according to their needs - is a given. It should be obvious.
Unless I'm wrong? Is that NOT the definition of communism?
I am 100% on board with that. Are you ready to do that? Or do you just want to keep "dunking" on me?