I think it is and isn’t. I think people are mostly educated into being who they will be by the time they’re five, like psychology indicates.
Political beliefs are largely just emergent properties of our basic peronsalities coming to terms with the political realities as we get old and exposed. But, for most people, who they ‘are’ is largely defined by how they were raised in their youngest years.
Look at Rigt-wing Authoritarianism, for example. There will always be outliers/rebels, etc., but I think the trend holds.
Lib shit. I'd love to see something replicable that actually indicates that this is not evopsych bullshit or 'right wingers hate trying out new foods' pop sci which is like phrenology but for leftists.
It’s an entire field of psychology, so I recommend starting with a birds-eye view: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_psychology
But also, a really important place to start if we’re ever going to talk about ‘reeducation’ or ‘convincing libs’ is to understand the basic principles of chud psychology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism
A lot of it makes sense on an intuitive level, because we all know chuds, but it’s important to be science based when we’re talking about this stuff
A lot of political belief is personality, which is psychology
I've read these a while back. What I meant was like, what are your replicable go to, high quality experiments or like bodies of research. The aforementioned replication* crisis hit scores of political psychology studies in implicit bias and stuff.
Edit: For context, in the early 2010s, psychology was hit with a replication crisis – popular papers findings could not be reproduced, especially in social psychology (ie, personality and behavioural stuff).
A report by the Open Science Collaboration in August 2015 that was coordinated by Brian Nosek estimated the reproducibility of 100 studies in psychological science from three high-ranking psychology journals. Overall, 36% of the replications yielded significant findings (p value below 0.05) compared to 97% of the original studies that had significant effects. The mean effect size in the replications was approximately half the magnitude of the effects reported in the original studies.
tl;dr 61% of the research in top journals could not be reproduced, of the ones that did, half of those were not as strong effects as thought. Most of psychology is in serious crisis. People's lives work is turning out non replicable.
It's a mix of bad methodology, lazy work, genuine mistakes and straight up fraud. A system that rewards only original research and does not fund replication has let the problem fester.
Oh, I don’t have any answers for the replicability crisis. I honestly try to stick to core findings that have held up over the decades like ‘people largely are who they were when they were young’. Even outside of political psychology, political analyses show that people don’t change much in their voting patterns over the course of their life. That’s a pretty solid, old, replicated finding that I frankly don’t expect will change much with the internet. I don’t really believe the internet is that revolutionizing, tbh. 95% of retweets come from the same old media corporations that made 95% of newspapers before the internet, etc.
So that, and personality psychology, which is really broad and seems to be holding up. At least, the newer schools of personality psych like the Big Five model, which seems pretty solid tbh. And then things like Right-wing authoritarianism, social dominance orientation, which are in line with Big Five stuff today, and to a lesser exent system justification theory. Admittedly, I don’t know much about leftists/what makes a leftist, besides some of the basic personality tendencies. I should learn more about the psychology of becoming leftist later in life, really, that’s like the whole point here. Too busy trying to wrap my head around those multigenerational chud cults that currently dominate america
I’ve read a little about, like, ex white nationalists who go about helping other white nationalists ‘come over’, but never really studied their techniques.
Also, does CBT count? Haha I like to consider circumstances known to help people change their minds when I’m trying to do that but... it’s just really hard to change ppls minds
I think people are mostly educated into being who they will be by the time they’re five, like psychology indicates.
Oh I'm not trying to refute that, I'm saying maybe those formative years are getting less... formative? Maybe people as a whole are just getting more cynical IDK, I understand I don't have a background in pediatric psychology so I probably shouldn't be speaking w/ too much confidence here.
I also don’t have that background, but I’ve been looking at politics from a psychological perspective for a little while in the hopes of learning something hahaha personality is really big in political beliefs, because the vast majority haven’t thought about it that hard tbh
But I agree with you that we’re a lot more free on the internet now. But a lot of people use that freedom to just explore more of who they are. Sociologists talk about people becoming siloed because of interests, and society fragmented as we move online. There are available tunnels to, like, any ideology you want, and a lot of people choose to change!
But! I would wager that the vast majority of chapos have leftist or left-leaning parents. Maybe some of us have moved to the left of our families, and the ones who have moved to the right... are on a different site haha
Like, as I grow and heal and try to become a better person, I resent that I started off where I did haha I can see my political journey, and I’m always more who I want to be, but I wish I just started off there. I don’t really plan on having kids, but I can see the historical importance of providing that better place for the next generation to start off
o7 comrade haha reminds me of Emerican Johnson, who does the breadtube NonCompete. He came up fash as well. I've heard that people who start off extreme on one end, and who decide to switch, also end up extreme on the other. It's like how converts to catholicism are always the most hardcore hahaha
I think it is and isn’t. I think people are mostly educated into being who they will be by the time they’re five, like psychology indicates.
Political beliefs are largely just emergent properties of our basic peronsalities coming to terms with the political realities as we get old and exposed. But, for most people, who they ‘are’ is largely defined by how they were raised in their youngest years.
Look at Rigt-wing Authoritarianism, for example. There will always be outliers/rebels, etc., but I think the trend holds.
Lib shit. I'd love to see something replicable that actually indicates that this is not evopsych bullshit or 'right wingers hate trying out new foods' pop sci which is like phrenology but for leftists.
Ok now that we're at 'lib shit' levels of discourse: have you ever read anything about political psychology? If not, you should.
Recommendations?
It’s an entire field of psychology, so I recommend starting with a birds-eye view: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_psychology
But also, a really important place to start if we’re ever going to talk about ‘reeducation’ or ‘convincing libs’ is to understand the basic principles of chud psychology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism
A lot of it makes sense on an intuitive level, because we all know chuds, but it’s important to be science based when we’re talking about this stuff
A lot of political belief is personality, which is psychology
I've read these a while back. What I meant was like, what are your replicable go to, high quality experiments or like bodies of research. The aforementioned replication* crisis hit scores of political psychology studies in implicit bias and stuff.
Edit: For context, in the early 2010s, psychology was hit with a replication crisis – popular papers findings could not be reproduced, especially in social psychology (ie, personality and behavioural stuff).
tl;dr 61% of the research in top journals could not be reproduced, of the ones that did, half of those were not as strong effects as thought. Most of psychology is in serious crisis. People's lives work is turning out non replicable.
It's a mix of bad methodology, lazy work, genuine mistakes and straight up fraud. A system that rewards only original research and does not fund replication has let the problem fester.
Oh, I don’t have any answers for the replicability crisis. I honestly try to stick to core findings that have held up over the decades like ‘people largely are who they were when they were young’. Even outside of political psychology, political analyses show that people don’t change much in their voting patterns over the course of their life. That’s a pretty solid, old, replicated finding that I frankly don’t expect will change much with the internet. I don’t really believe the internet is that revolutionizing, tbh. 95% of retweets come from the same old media corporations that made 95% of newspapers before the internet, etc.
So that, and personality psychology, which is really broad and seems to be holding up. At least, the newer schools of personality psych like the Big Five model, which seems pretty solid tbh. And then things like Right-wing authoritarianism, social dominance orientation, which are in line with Big Five stuff today, and to a lesser exent system justification theory. Admittedly, I don’t know much about leftists/what makes a leftist, besides some of the basic personality tendencies. I should learn more about the psychology of becoming leftist later in life, really, that’s like the whole point here. Too busy trying to wrap my head around those multigenerational chud cults that currently dominate america
I’ve read a little about, like, ex white nationalists who go about helping other white nationalists ‘come over’, but never really studied their techniques.
Also, does CBT count? Haha I like to consider circumstances known to help people change their minds when I’m trying to do that but... it’s just really hard to change ppls minds
Oh I'm not trying to refute that, I'm saying maybe those formative years are getting less... formative? Maybe people as a whole are just getting more cynical IDK, I understand I don't have a background in pediatric psychology so I probably shouldn't be speaking w/ too much confidence here.
I also don’t have that background, but I’ve been looking at politics from a psychological perspective for a little while in the hopes of learning something hahaha personality is really big in political beliefs, because the vast majority haven’t thought about it that hard tbh
But I agree with you that we’re a lot more free on the internet now. But a lot of people use that freedom to just explore more of who they are. Sociologists talk about people becoming siloed because of interests, and society fragmented as we move online. There are available tunnels to, like, any ideology you want, and a lot of people choose to change!
But! I would wager that the vast majority of chapos have leftist or left-leaning parents. Maybe some of us have moved to the left of our families, and the ones who have moved to the right... are on a different site haha
Like, as I grow and heal and try to become a better person, I resent that I started off where I did haha I can see my political journey, and I’m always more who I want to be, but I wish I just started off there. I don’t really plan on having kids, but I can see the historical importance of providing that better place for the next generation to start off
me dads a fascist lol
o7 comrade haha reminds me of Emerican Johnson, who does the breadtube NonCompete. He came up fash as well. I've heard that people who start off extreme on one end, and who decide to switch, also end up extreme on the other. It's like how converts to catholicism are always the most hardcore hahaha
Glad to have you :af-heart:
i read the manifesto at 13, where were you Liberal