and you can learn a lot from being a member of the global proletariat.
seriously, it's not that big of a deal. the people of Gaza are standing up cuz they have the shared experience of being oppressed by settler colonialism, those who benefit from colonization have zero incentive to oppose it.
This reminds me of that classic communist slogan, "Workers of the world, divide yourselves up according to who lives in a colonial vs non colonial nation!"
The ones in the colonial nations do that themselves
Many of my Chinese friends do not.
Okay? China isn't a colonial nation.
No, I'm saying that China, despite being a "Third World" country, doesn't see things this way.
Also, I misread the initial comment but still somewhat disagree; there is a growth of sentiment among the people within the Imperial Core that there must be solidarity with people overseas, hence the huge pro-Palestine movement taking place right now.
Okay, I don't speak Chinese or have ever been to China, so idk what the general sentiment is there. I have met people from the undeveloped world and most of them have the impression that even working class Americans are privileged chauvinists, and I live in the US and I generally agree.
Most Americans are still solidly pro-Israel, there's been an upswell of pro-Palestinian zoomers thanks to Tik Tok memes, which is good I guess but i don't see it evolving into anything besides protests.
That's not the impression I get from people in "underdeveloped nations" that I've spoken to.
It's already evolved past protests into a stronger divestment campaign, more new communists, and the blocking of road shipments and arms shipments meant for Israel.
Once the Houthis start making their lattes more expensive they'll be right back to being NATO Anarchists calling for war, just like they did after 9/11.
lol The USA is the most militarized country in the Earth. You can't do nothing without people policing you so I'm not surprised that it mostly doesn't spill over into using force because we're clearly not at this stage.
USA has been beating down its own proletariat through COINTELPRO and now a replacement to COINTELPRO to not give people like, say, Latin American immigrants a fighting chance.
This kind of shit has always existed yet proletariat movements still managed to rise above it. The fact none in the US have is because there isn't demand for one in the US.
lol Not always.
There are only 5 AES countries in the world.
Yes and they rose up in far far more repressive conditions that what dorks in the US trying to form DSA branches have to deal with.
And yet, there are only 5 AES countries among the "Third World."
Meaning that most of 'em are still dealing with capitalism.
I'm not saying that American citizens don't have it easier, but the conditions for a proletarian movement and one that achieves revolution is still there.
NOTE: reading this after writing it i notice it seems parochial and patronizing, like 'i know better, look at me!', i apologize for that sentiment and i think i'll still keep it up because i feel some of the points are conducive to more productive cooperation (as opposed to being antagonistic or trivializing)
i think in a case such as this (regarding support, through protests, organizing, etc.) it would be prudent to defer strict judgment until sufficient data or evidence is available.
really for any if the claims you or the folks who engaged with you made, their 'flimsy'; i.e. with a new report (trustworthy ofc) the claims you folks make could be shown to be reasonably inaccurate.
i think it makes more sense to take the claims and platitudes made as what they are in order to appreciate it in a dialectical material way, that is, as conjecture and provisional.
in such cases i don't think there would need be to such commitment to one's own ideas about how things are going, and they are ideas as to me there is not nearly enough evidence for the apparent degree of confidence exhumed
to say something of substance, there is material risk for the younger folks protesting which doesn't take away treats directly, the 'latte' you mentioned, does indicate a commitment to receiving harassment (i mean with IOF bullying) or an ignorance towards it (which i find less than credible, i'd presume the protestors and folks who organize for Palestinians would have it as one of the many bits of info in their back pocket they can pull out to argue for their cause, among the atrocities they seem to very directly be committed against).
in the event that some of what is true, do you still think it makes sense to have what i and i think others see as a negative sentiment towards folks in the imperial core who protest for Palestinians?
argument against protestors in the imperial core/periphery
my sense is still that as they are residents of imperial core/periphery nations, their material needs and wants will still be mostly fulfilled in the short to moderate term, they'll have food, some kind of shelter, they'll likely not die within the next few years in a way related to their support for Palestine, though they may have their work or career impacted, the most to expect is worse pay and working conditions and temporary displeasure, nothing permanent so to speak