Hellworld

  • Babalouie [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    prejudicial: calling slain protestors victims

    not prejudicial: labeling slain protesters as felons even when they've obviously not been prosecuted.

    This seems fucky, would like to see what the judge actually said but expectations are on the floor.

    • meme_monster [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Circuit Judge Bruce Schroeder ruled Monday that the term victims was off the table but Rittenhouse's attorneys could describe the men as "rioters" or "looters" if they can produce the evidence. "If more than one of these people were engaged in arson, rioting or looting, then I'm not going to tell the defense they can't call them that," Schroeder said during a hearing. The judge later added, "The word victim is a loaded, loaded word. And I think alleged victim is a cousin to it."

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      I guess two bullet ridden corpses in the morgue isn't evidence of anything.

    • unironicSJW [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      not prejudicial: labeling slain protesters as felons even when they’ve obviously not been prosecuted.

      ngl, this is fucked.

  • RedArmor [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Just means when something happens to him that he won’t be a victim.

    • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      No, they must solely be defined by crimes that they could have been maybe doing at the time

  • Bluegrass_Buddhist [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    I'm guessing the judge's logic is that calling the victims "victims" would presuppose Rittenhouse's guilt in the mind of the jurors, while calling them "rioters" could technically be supported by evidence using the government's legal definition of a riot. I guess the psychological image the word "rioter" conjurers in most peoples' minds is just of no importance.

    What rote legalism does to a mf

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      3 years ago

      Is there even precedent for that? Have any courts previously held that prosecuters referring to victims of crimes violates a defendant's presumption of innocence? The job of prosecutor is the opposite of presuming innocence!

      • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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        3 years ago

        I think it's because in this case they are trying to prove a crime was committed. After all, it's legal to drive into protestors, so if he claims self-defense there isn't clearly a crime, and they therefore would be instigators or fatalities, not victims. The judge is having a really hard time here because no property was damaged, just human lives were violently ended by some miserable sack of dog turds whom I believe should be thrown into the ocean in a burlap sack with a brick in it, so he doesn't know if a crime was committed or not. If he were to accidentally hit someone's tire with a bullet, then the judge would easily be able to tell a crime was committed.

      • Bernies3trlnKielbasa [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        The other article that's been posted here about this event notes that that is in fact common in potential self-defense cases.

        • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          Self defense is making sure this fucker isn't on the street by any means means necessary for a wide swath of people

    • Hoodoo [love/loves]
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      3 years ago

      Judicial Realism was right and every other form of Jurisprudence is wrong.

  • ultraviolet [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Of course if someone else had shot at him, he would be coddled like a victim and the other person would face punishment.