Also, it's a passionate topic for many. It's easy to stirr up emotions when it comes to seemingly essential topics like "china good/bad, USSR same" That can hardly be expressed completely by any side. To be honest, the only discussions about tendencies I had were online. Sometimes it feels like we are not discussing the real issue. Some say "china bad" and what they mean is often "no state will ever be good". From my very very limited knowledge of philosophy I sometimes call it Hegelian, always concerned with the utopian. Whereas "Tankies" have a more Marxist view of the situation, and claim China/Stalin did the best the material conditions made possible. What I find frustrating is, that many anarchists talk about revolution but have no idea what revolution really means. You will never have a revolution because a socdem didn't get fair treatment. You will have a revolution when the suffering is ununbearable and burgoise and proletariat cannot continue the status quo, just like Lenin said. In this situation it is crucial to consolidate power against outside influences. I'm blabbering, point is, some should be more realistic, some should be more critical but we shouldn't make this the center of our discussions.