Yes, and I’m again telling you the reason why stalin did it: it was class glue to hold on till the war, or the vlasov affair prolly would have been much worse.
You don’t need patriotism, ffs, worker solidarity isn’t patriotism, and worker pride (so to say) isn’t patriotism.
The Soviet Union took shortcut and it backfired 50 years later when shortcut engineers were purged, and nomenklatura decided that all was fine, we should continue. considering the boomer state in eastern europe - it backfired everywhere
Because it’s very neat shortcut allowing to involve national and petit bourgeoisie in liberation struggle. But it’s that - shortcut to first stage of revolution.
Yes, and that turn includes leaving patriotism fester and morph beneath the surface.
Patriotic socialism was promoted through East Slav & Central Asian & Caucasus and Far East Areas
It wasn't socialist patriotism that began to fester, it was the idiocy of Great-Russians trying to fight against the Nazi-stoked chauvinism in the least effective ways throughout those areas
In each instance, it was the Soviet socialist patriotism at odds with this genocidal ethnocentrism in places like Crimea & Chechen areas & elsewhere
Yea, but it wasn’t patriotic, not at first. Patriotism is invention of nation states, lol, when did it appear you think? It has obvious trappings and goals, and I cannot conceive why it’s desirable state of affairs for socialist.
Obviously, when it was understood that germany isn’t coming to the fold (and ussr was doomed from then tbh), they’ve pivoted through stalin into in-one-country formula. But it is that - pivot and deviation dictated by the nature of struggle, class antagonism and foreign enemies. It isn’t in itself good or desirable, it’s something that was imposed upon fledging Soviet Union. And again, if you trace art and culture of ussr, which was fairly bound to party you can see it reorienting in 35-39 very rapidly into embracing not revolutionary struggles, but past great man of russia.
No, it was socialist patriotism, which is an invention of socialist countries. It appeared before USSR, but only found practical application for the first time in USSR, as AES first took root there. Socialists are patriots in every AES context
East Germany did come into the fold, and it was patriotic throughout out the Cold War period. "Socialism in one country" didn't mean in ONLY one country, just one country at a time, which is the natural progression. Love of one's community & family & friends and fellow workers cannot have any other term to describe it outside of socialist patriotism.
Yes, that’s fucking exactly why they were all forced/succumbed to it
East Germany came too late, as the hope was intercontinental block and help with development of productive forces in different places, instead of exploitation of peasants to rapidly industrialize in backward country.
Of course it can, it’s called love thy neighbor, lel. If you are redefining patriotism in your head to mean worker solidarity then congratulations, but that’s not patriotism.
Socialist patriotism isn't something I defined, it exists/existed in all AES countries, including ones who were formerly imperialistic or had slavery & indigenous removal like Cuba & East Germany and others
Yes, and I’m again telling you the reason why stalin did it: it was class glue to hold on till the war, or the vlasov affair prolly would have been much worse.
You don’t need patriotism, ffs, worker solidarity isn’t patriotism, and worker pride (so to say) isn’t patriotism.
The Soviet Union took shortcut and it backfired 50 years later when shortcut engineers were purged, and nomenklatura decided that all was fine, we should continue. considering the boomer state in eastern europe - it backfired everywhere
The purge was ongoing, and Soviet patriotism existed before the 1930s and after the war as well
Patriotism is exactly what USSR promoted, in a proletarian internationalist context
It wasn't the socialist patriotism that backfired, it was the anti-Stalinist turn
Again, where?
Because it’s very neat shortcut allowing to involve national and petit bourgeoisie in liberation struggle. But it’s that - shortcut to first stage of revolution.
Yes, and that turn includes leaving patriotism fester and morph beneath the surface.
The first stage of revolution was in 1917-1924
Patriotic socialism was promoted through East Slav & Central Asian & Caucasus and Far East Areas
It wasn't socialist patriotism that began to fester, it was the idiocy of Great-Russians trying to fight against the Nazi-stoked chauvinism in the least effective ways throughout those areas
In each instance, it was the Soviet socialist patriotism at odds with this genocidal ethnocentrism in places like Crimea & Chechen areas & elsewhere
Yea, but it wasn’t patriotic, not at first. Patriotism is invention of nation states, lol, when did it appear you think? It has obvious trappings and goals, and I cannot conceive why it’s desirable state of affairs for socialist.
Obviously, when it was understood that germany isn’t coming to the fold (and ussr was doomed from then tbh), they’ve pivoted through stalin into in-one-country formula. But it is that - pivot and deviation dictated by the nature of struggle, class antagonism and foreign enemies. It isn’t in itself good or desirable, it’s something that was imposed upon fledging Soviet Union. And again, if you trace art and culture of ussr, which was fairly bound to party you can see it reorienting in 35-39 very rapidly into embracing not revolutionary struggles, but past great man of russia.
No, it was socialist patriotism, which is an invention of socialist countries. It appeared before USSR, but only found practical application for the first time in USSR, as AES first took root there. Socialists are patriots in every AES context
East Germany did come into the fold, and it was patriotic throughout out the Cold War period. "Socialism in one country" didn't mean in ONLY one country, just one country at a time, which is the natural progression. Love of one's community & family & friends and fellow workers cannot have any other term to describe it outside of socialist patriotism.
Yes, that’s fucking exactly why they were all forced/succumbed to it
East Germany came too late, as the hope was intercontinental block and help with development of productive forces in different places, instead of exploitation of peasants to rapidly industrialize in backward country.
Of course it can, it’s called love thy neighbor, lel. If you are redefining patriotism in your head to mean worker solidarity then congratulations, but that’s not patriotism.
Socialist patriotism isn't something I defined, it exists/existed in all AES countries, including ones who were formerly imperialistic or had slavery & indigenous removal like Cuba & East Germany and others
Then we agree to disagree that such a thing exists :shrug-outta-hecks: