CW: talk about weight, mention of ED

I'll preface with: I'll be blunt from here on out, as I can't get better without truth. I know I'm overweight, and I've always known/always have been.

My mom spent a good amount of her life obsessing over weight (no thanks to my dad). She isn't at the level to have ED or anything but would find new fad diets to start (but not finish), have motivational food posters around, comments on how bad she or anyone else is eating and how it's a bad thing, things like that. My dad was never shy to tell me how fat I was and how fat I was getting. Said the same to my mom as well. My mom would comfort me during those outbursts, but still put me on similar fad diets or weight loss programs. None of them stuck.

What triggered the current push to lose weight were 2 things:

  1. There's a traveling adult bouncy house that's coming to my area, but there is a weight limit. My friends seemed excited to go, but I'll feel so much shame to say I can't because I'm too big. I also don't want my weight to get in the way of doing other fun things down the line.

  2. I plan to travel for my 30th birthday and the country is pretty fatphobic, I don't think I'll be able to (mentally) handle it and feel it'll be better to lose weight than draw unnecessary attention to myself. I visited a parent's home country a few years ago, it's been a long time since going, and my grandma couldn't say anything else to me than how big I was. I couldn't say anything back but take it, knowing the people around me were hearing it too. Some people would say something too like "She's just thick nothing wrong with that", but I just felt more shame that I couldn't say anything back, and deep down I agreed with her. It was embarrassing, and I felt embarrassed to look that way. I don't want to experience that again.

I don't even know if these are good enough reason to lose weight or if it just a self-esteem thing or both. I also can't tell if this is actual motivation or my own internalized fatphobia. Deep down, I like to imagine myself as thinner, only because it'll be more convenient to move through life that way. I'm otherwise happy.

Last year I lost a bit of weight, one of my friends complimented me on the loss, and it freaked me out. I felt perceived and observed, it opened up my mind to the fear that people were thinking negative things about my weight the whole time and only felt comfortable enough to talk about it because it was going down. The panic slowed down my progress and I gained the weight back.

I'll feel guilty abandoning the HAES cause and the fat community. Like I was only following it because I'm bigger and needed to cope. And when I get thinner, I won't need them anymore for comfort. I also feel shame losing weight because it admits that there was a "problem" and I didn't do anything about it until now. It also proved all the terrible, maybe well-meaning, people from my life right. All their comments were correct, and I was too prideful to admit it. That opens me up to being treated differently if I do lose the weight, and it makes me angry. Like my friends and family would be impressed but think "what took you so long?". Then, will I be respected more? Will more people be attracted to me now? I'll forever feel like people are only interested in being close to me because I'm thinner, just like how some people want nothing to do with me because I'm bigger.

I never really felt like my weight was an issue, it only stopped me from doing activities with a weight limit. I still exercise and whatnot without issue. But, since a young age, I was always told it was an issue, so it sits in the back of my mind constantly.

Fears:

  • I'm scared that I won't succeed
  • I'm scared that I will but will forever have to obsess over my weight and eating habits like my mom
  • I'm scared it'll yo-yo back and forth, or I'll just gain it all again (so why even start)
  • I'm scared my personality will change, and I'll get cocky like the other fit people who lost a lot of weight and get to brag about it
  • I'm scared of how I will be perceived during or even after the journey, comments like "homhom lost so much weight it looks good" make me feel like people will be relying on me to keep the weight off, opening up the possibility of being a failure
  • I'm scared I won't be able to eat yummy food again so I can maintain the new body
  • I'm scared more people will be attracted to me <- I don't get this one, I think it's also about perception

S/N: my current Doctor has a side practice that specializes in weight loss. She never made me feel bad for being overweight, and never pushed the practice on me. All of my yearly physicals are perfect, too, minus a few vitamin deficiencies. I've also been in therapy for a while, but never felt comfortable enough to discuss weight, I don't discuss with many friends either.

  • Deadend [he/him]
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    6 months ago

    A few people I know who have lost weight and stayed cool did it because they made it NOT about the weight loss.

    The whole “lifestyle” thing essentially.

    Basically making the losing the weight into a side-effect of something else.

    Like having goal of being able to run a marathon and taking actions for THAT instead. I think that is the only sane way to lose weight is having it be an effect of something else.

    • homhom9000 [she/her]
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      6 months ago

      I like this. I'll think of physical goals I want to achieve, beyond the bouncy house.

      • Deadend [he/him]
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        6 months ago

        Good luck, I hope it helps.

        I know a lot of people also get motivated via apps and filling meters on Apple Watch or similar.

  • booty [he/him]
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    6 months ago

    I'm scared I won't be able to eat yummy food again so I can maintain the new body

    Comrade I eat so much junk food it isn't even funny. Losing or maintaining your preferred weight isn't really about what food you eat, it's just about knowing how many calories are in that food and not eating too much.

  • RION [she/her]
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    6 months ago

    Ditto on the lifestyle change framing that's already been stated.

    I'll feel guilty abandoning the HAES cause and the fat community.

    I don't think "abandoning" is super accurate here. Losing weight doesn't mean you have to stop being an advocate, after all. The decision to do so (or not!) is your business and your business alone. Put yourself first, you're worth it.

    • WithoutFurtherBelay
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      6 months ago

      Yeah, this is sort of a shaky metaphor but I would never accuse someone who was detransitioning of abandoning the trans community (unless they did in some other, actual way, like being a grifter). Same thing here.

  • Maoo [none/use name]
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    6 months ago

    It's your body, you can change it how you can and should feel good about that so long as it isn't causing you greater harm (the latter would be how I'd categorize an ED, for example). Same goes for someone that wants to gain weight or muscle or change body "types", like going from big a muscular to smaller or vice versa, etc. Society itself is toxic about our bodies and I'm sorry it (and your father) impacted you negatively.

    I'll touch on your fears:

    • You might not succeed but that's okay. It's not easy to change our bodies! They're resistant to change. Also things can happen that prevent whatever strategy a person wants to take. Maybe you decide to do a particular exercise bc every day but then get injured, for example. This is all okay. It's okay to qualify your goal, to work towards it but be okay if everything doesn't go according to plan on your ideal timeline.

    • People have different metabolisms so it's hard to generalize about what maintaining a body situation looks like, but generally speaking if your methodology is a concrete and healthy lifestyle change then maintenance is just continuing to do the same thing. I'll give a simple example: eating more veggies (not extreme, just more!) is a surefire way to cut calories in a healthy way and over time your body will start to crave them and your mind will start to expect more of them in your meals. This is a sustainable habit and you eventually won't have to think about it deliberately, let alone worry.

    • It's okay to yo-yo, our bodies do this with the seasons and as we live life. Maybe you get an injury and have to be sedentary for a few months and gain a few pounds. No biggie. Maybe some initial weight loss was water weight and a few salty meals make you "gain" it back. Maybe you have a tough few weeks and breaking your diet helped you cope. None of these things are abnormal or unacceptable. The important thing is to forgive yourself (there's nothing to forgive!) and feel okay to resume the new habits if you want to. Most people have to make repeat attempts at changing a habit.

    • You won't lose your empathy or knowledge and suddenly become body-shaming, no need to worry about this. If your changes are healthy (better food and exercise) you'll probably just have more energy and feel a bit better overall (at least from endorphins from exercising).

    • Yeah other people complimenting your "new looks" is gonna happen and be both annoying and affirming. There's definitely an emotional contradiction there! I don't really have advice for that, it's gonna be confusing.

    • You can definitely still eat tasty food. This will happen in two ways: (1) you should adopt a diet that isn't about cutting out all of the food you like. If the food is caloric, just have less of it and have a lighter (veggie heavy) meal later to offset. (2) As you find new meals as part of your diet, you'll start to crave those instead. Some of your previous favorites might even start to feel unappealing as your tastes habituate.

    • More people being attracted to you might happen. Being perceived can suck or at least bring up conflicting feelings.

    • homhom9000 [she/her]
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      6 months ago

      Thanks for all of this. Do you know any good mostly veg recipes or meals? I love to cook, I love most veggies(just eat a lot of other stuff too), and I'm looking to get into beans and lentils this year.

      • Maoo [none/use name]
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        6 months ago

        Sure! A nice low-oil, high-heat stir fry can be loaded with veggies and taste amazing. You can do it Cantonese style and just do a small set of veggies at a time so they get a nice wear before cooling down the pan/wok. Peppers, onion, green onion, mushrooms, corn, peas (I'm just listing things easy to find in the US). If you patiently fry tofu in a small amount of oil (5 kin per side or so at medium) it can be added at the end as well, very high in protein vs. calorie ratio and tastes great.

        Using spices and herbs and simple sauces can also help out by pumping up the flavor for 0 calories. A classic spice mix for this would be a little salt, a very small amount of sugar, a medium amount of white pepper, and small to medium amount of MSG according to your tastes. For a sauce, you can do very well with just some soy sauce added to a hot part of the pan. If you want to be a little fancier, combine with some water, cooking wine, oyster/mushroom sauce, and a little starch so it ends up sticky. This kind of sauce tastes better if you go light on it, which is also more healthy.

        Nice thing about a stir fry is that it's a one-pan meal, you can use whatever veggies look good or are on sale, and after a little practice you'll be done within 10 minutes. Have a little parboiled rice or whole grain on the side and you have a complete meal. It's also easy to modify for macros, like adding that tofu. There are also a wide variety of dishes that are stir fried and can use a ton of vegetables, so it won't get boring if you mix it up a bit.

        Other dishes that are good with lots of veggies:

        • A nice salad with rinsed cooked beans (like chickpeas) on it. Add a nice dressing and mixed fresh vegetables and it's very tasty. With the beans it can be a complete meal and not feel like it's "just" salad.

        • Dishes that are literally just veggies. Chinese broccoli with oyster/mushroom sauce. Roasted broccoli, carrots, and cauliflower. Poached broccoli blended up makes a surprisingly delicious soup, literally only needs salt and a dash of pepper. Lots of soups are basically just veggies and beans, like a Greek chickpea soup with lemon. Pakoras are a way to use up random mixed veggies, basically just a spiced-up chickpea flour batter with random veggies. If you want to make lower-calorie, bake instead of deep fry. Personally, I just use very little batter and deep fry, which ends up not very oily because the oil only saturatrs batter, not veggies. Dishes like sag paneer/tofu. Japanese-style spinach, which is basically poached spinach in a sesame sauce.

        Also you can straight-up have some veggies as a snack, they're delightful. Baby carrots, broccoli, celery. Cut them up and put in the fridge in water for a few hours and they'll be extra crispy.

        Some dishes that have a decent amount of veggies:

        • Some nice tostadas. You can pile up the onion, lettuce, and tomato on top of refried beans. Add a little cabbage if you want.
        • A bastardized burrito bowl. Beans, rice/whole grain, dry (no oil) fried corn, a facsimile of chimichurri, fajitas, tajin, etc. Lots of ways for vary it and add more veggies.
        • (low oil) fried rice with a ton of leftover veggies. Same spices as I mentioned for the stir fry.
        • Fried noodles, basically the same deal as the veggie stir fry but it has noodles in it.
        • A nice Thai curry loaded up with peppers, onion, broccoli, maybe potato, carrot.
          • Maoo [none/use name]
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            6 months ago

            Of course! Let me know if there's anything else I can do that's helpful, comrade.

  • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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    6 months ago

    meow-hug

    I don't think you have any reason to feel guilty. You have concrete reasons to lose weight, there's absolutely nothing wrong with making a decision to improve your life based on the actual circumstances you live in. I don't know what else to say to assuade your fears, but I think if you've made your decision there's no telling how you'll feel after a few months of commitment. If as you say your weight isn't an issue for most things outside of weight limited activities, the worst that could happen is you return to the current situation, and you aren't any worse off for trying.

  • PKMKII [none/use name]
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    6 months ago

    Something I noticed reading through your post is how much your weight anxiety stems from external sources: my dad made me feel bad, my grandma made me feel bad, I worry what my friends are thinking about my weight now or will think about it in the future. I’m not seeing much in terms of you wanting to lose weight to make yourself happy. You even said, you didn’t see an issue with your weight outside of activities with weight limits.

    If your weight loss motivation is just about appeasing others, then it’s not going to be successful. Appeasing others like that is a losing formula because you’ll always have the voice in the back of your head saying “but what if I’m really not satisfying them?” That’s why your mom kept starting and not finishing fad diets, it wasn’t about her it was about your dad. And let me tell you a secret about judgy people: no matter what you do, no matter how much you improve, they’ll find something to judge you over. If you have people that are toxic in your life like that, the solution isn’t appeasing them, it’s cutting toxic people out of your life.

    As far as your particular fear about getting to eat yummy food: I know someone who’s been skinny their entire life. Their key is, on weekdays they eat light for breakfast and lunch, dinner is something along the lines of plain baked boneless skinless chicken breast, steamed veggies, whole grain rice, in small portions. Weekends though, they eat whatever they want. The key isn’t going cold turkey on everything richer than leek soup, it’s quantity and portion control.

    • Jenniferrr [she/her, comrade/them]
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      6 months ago

      Needing internal motivation is SO true too. My vice was smoking cigarettes. For years I never even attempted to quit, or would cut back or whatever just to start again, because people around me wanted me to quit but honestly I LOVED smoking. Honestly I still do. But when I started HRT I understood that smoking could affect the effectiveness of hormones and cause possible health complications, I went cold turkey and it's been sticking. I absolutely positively couldn't have done this without internal motivation.

  • the_itsb [she/her, comrade/them]
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    6 months ago

    I related to a lot of this, especially

    I felt perceived and observed, it opened up my mind to the fear that people were thinking negative things about my weight the whole time and only felt comfortable enough to talk about it because it was going down. The panic slowed down my progress and I gained the weight back.

    This happens for me most with my mother, and I take it into consideration with choosing the clothes I wear to her house.

    I gained almost triple what was "normal" during my pregnancy and struggled for years with different diets and approaches. I've been at a healthy BMI for almost seven years now, but getting there took almost ten years and several attitude/lifestyle shifts. None of these are new ideas, you have almost certainly heard all this before, but this is what worked for me.

    Here's what changed:

    • measuring things with a scale - this quickly became maddening and I absolutely did not stick with it for very long, but it was long enough to show me that I was wildly undercounting calories and so were all my friends and family.
    • weigh myself at the same time of day every day for a while - this helped me realize that my menstrual cycle adds 5-8 pounds every month, regardless of my activity or diet, but that sticking to my routine would make them disappear again by day 2-3 of the cycle. No more "omg I gained weight this week?!?!" freakouts, because I know it's coming, and it's temporary.
    • doing anything is better than nothing - even if I only do 5 minutes of walking or calisthenics or whatever, that's better than nothing, and often once I started doing a thing with mental permission to quit after 5 minutes, it was much easier to stick with it longer.
    • make activity fun - I get bored easily, and it has to be a truly gripping book or podcast to get me through 15 minutes on a treadmill or elliptical. I found a little shelf thing that straps onto the display/control area and holds a laptop, and it genuinely changed my life - even sweating and miserable on the elliptical, I can fuck around with Civ for hours. Whatever your favorite guilty pleasure fuckoff pastime is, find a way to incorporate that into exercising, and suddenly it's a healthy way to spend a few hours.

    Your doctor sounds like she could be a great resource! What do you think about talking to her about your concerns?

    • homhom9000 [she/her]
      hexagon
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      6 months ago

      I know my Dr would be 100% supportive in whatever direction I take, it's just to scary to ask haha. Maybe I'll make that a goal, if I get to a plateu then reach out to my dr.

  • Jenniferrr [she/her, comrade/them]
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    6 months ago

    I made another comment about internal motivation elsewhere on this post but I'll also say this to your fear about people thinking negatively about your fatness based on positive comments towards you losing weight. I wouldn't be so quick to connect those two - i, at least, don't really even have thoughts about what size people are, but I might congratulate someone on losing weight because it's something That I think they would like, like encouragement, because it's not an easy thing. So just getting positive comments doesn't mean people actively had negative feelings towards your weight before hand

    • WithoutFurtherBelay
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      6 months ago

      Most social systems have a carrot and a stick. It makes sense to connect the two in one's brain. Fatphobia, like most weird social prejudices, has a "positive" side and a "negative" side, so it makes sense to associate the two, even if the "positive" side doesn't really hurt anyone directly.

      I might congratulate someone on losing weight because it's something That I think they would like, like encouragement, because it's not an easy thing.

      I think this makes a lot of sense, and I would do the same thing, honestly, but there's some nuance there in that we should be actively pushing against these systems, not just avoiding reproducing them. So, like the top comment, I guess I would prefer to congratulate someone on achieving something other fitness goal they had that wasn't limited to not being fat. If someone started doing parkour, for instance, I might congratulate them for keeping at it and be impressed with their dexterity.

      • Jenniferrr [she/her, comrade/them]
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        6 months ago

        Yeah so true. And yeah it makes sense why OP is connecting the two, im not saying that this is a lwap in her logic or something. Maybe I should not be making thkse types of comments though is what im learning from this post.

        The top comment here really hit the nail on the head though I think

        • WithoutFurtherBelay
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          6 months ago

          No, this was insightful! I don't think anything you said was necessarily wrong, and at worst it gave an opportunity to reflect and respond.

        • homhom9000 [she/her]
          hexagon
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          6 months ago

          I still got a lot of insight from your comment. Navigating the world fat made it hard to accept what people are telling me as truth (like they'll say I'm not fat and I clearly am haha, so when they say anything else it feels like appeasing my emotions over fact). But that shouldn't stop me from taking the compliments from people at face value

  • usa_suxxx [they/them]
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    6 months ago

    If you want to lose weight, you should try it. It is your life and only you can set your goals and desires. I think you're a really good person inside and I think you are holding yourself to unrealistic moral and value standards. HEAS is something that I agree with and it sounds like you're quite healthy at your size. It sounds like the goal is more vain and I don't mean that to demean your goal. That is perfectly valid and you're very informed about the subject.

    I don't think you losing weight is abandoning the HEAS cause especially when you can explain your reasoning as clearly as you did. Your reasoning isn't simple and if you do become thin, you will still retain your sharp mind and ability to explain your reasoning and defend others from bad faith actors when needed.

    Edit:

    On my struggles with weight, my failures felt worse when I pretended my desire to lose weight were tied to my health. I want to lose weight for vanity reasons. My health has and can be improved by flexibility, weight lifting, and cardio work at my size. I think if you can keep your critical perspective it might help stabilize your mental health on your attempts whether successful or not.

  • goose [he/him]
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    6 months ago

    I'm not an expert and speak only from personal experience. I dropped 50 lbs over a couple of years and then gained 25 lbs back over the next three.

    It was a weird experience from a self-perception standpoint; after a while at the lower weight, old photos of me at the higher weight seemed less like "me", which was a bit disconcerting. The pros more than made up for the cons, though, because it was a lifestyle change that just physically felt really great. Running and jumping was easier, my skin was clearer, I took up cycling, I got so used to eating less that I would occasionally have to eat a bit more at the end of the day just to hit a calorie minimum(!), just good stuff all around that was absolutely worth the calorie tracking and Apple Watch ring closing.

    Then COVID happened and made my schedule so unpredictable that the exercise became less constant, snacks became more available, and healthy solo meals became McDonald's for the family. Regaining the weight has been a bit of a bummer, and I definitely perceive things that I didn't before losing the weight: I can feel the puffiness in my face and recognize my lack of muscle definition.

    I have zero regrets about going through all of it, though. It's a really empowering feeling to take charge of your body and make it the way you want it by stubborn determination, and I know that if I really want to, I can get back to the lower weight by being extra stubborn and doing what worked before. Being at a lower weight for a while also helped me discover more things that my body feels good doing, and I've kept those as part of my life even after regaining half the weight I lost.

    I don't feel like a failure; I feel like I did something for myself and learned a lot.

    That feels like the key for you: make sure you're ultimately doing this for yourself. If nobody else in the world had any opinions about your weight, positive or negative, now or in the future, would you still want to change your body? If so, just go for it and deal with your concerns if and when they come up. There's no such thing as failure here, no letting anyone else "win", just you doing what you want to do with your body.

    • homhom9000 [she/her]
      hexagon
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      6 months ago

      You've given me some things to think about. I like the idea of changing my body for the experience, and gaining new attributes like discipline and self determination. If I could go through life where my weight didn't stop me from doing things(mostly weight limit things), I don't think I'd change. That said, I'm a dancer and I recognize when my body's in different shape, I don't perform as well. Since failure doesn't exist in this case, and I'm already ok with where I am, the worst that can happen is me staying the same. Best that could happen is I'm light enough to dance longer without as much fatigue.

  • KnilAdlez [none/use name]
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    6 months ago

    I yo-yo a lot, and I can't keep weight off unless I regiment myself to only eat so many calories in a day. I have a problem with binging, and counting calories helps my moderate my eating. Even when I fail, I never regret trying. Because even when I fail I just end up where I started, so I'm not any worse for the wear. And let me tell you, no diet has kept me from eating something yummy, I just might end up saving some of it for the next day.

    So I say there's no harm in trying (in a healthy way), may as well give it a shot.

  • WithoutFurtherBelay
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    6 months ago

    I think you have good reasons for wanting to lose weight beyond subconscious prejudice, so I think you shouldn't feel guilty about it at all. I'll go over a few of the fears here because I think I might be able to speak on them a little, though I don't have any experience with losing weight myself.

    I'm scared that I won't succeed

    I think this is a situation where you can kind of take comfort in the fat community. It's not a "failure" or "success", it's just different states of being. And yeah, you might not manage to reach this other state you want for various reasons, but it's not a failure, any more than losing a game would be a failure. It can be disappointing and that's totally valid, but it's not something that would reflect on you at all. I doubt anyone would be really all that angry at you for not being able to use a bounce house, and any friends that would hurt you just for being fat can fuck off.

    I'm scared that I will but will forever have to obsess over my weight and eating habits like my mom

    I think this one is a bit more complicated, and I don't have any experience with this, but I'll try to take a shot here. I think the difference in motivations is a huge factor. You're doing this for mostly utilitarian reasons, and while you might have a small undercurrent of social influence in it, just like your mom might have a small undercurrent of utilitarian use (people being nicer to her, because we live in hellworld no-i-in-pezza), altogether given your knowledge of and solidarity with the fat movement this seems unlikely, because I'm going to assume those unhealthy obsessive behaviors are probably rooted in a fundamental fear of being fat. If you don't have that, or are actively working on uprooting that from your brain, then that seems very unlikely to happen to you.

    I'm scared it'll yo-yo back and forth, or I'll just gain it all again (so why even start)

    Well, this might seem silly, but if your goal is to do it for travel to a fatphobic country, and for a bouncy house, than... It might not matter. You could just save those things for your "slim" moments. Again I have no experience here but it seems to me that anyone who would legitimately judge you for "backsliding" into something that isn't even inherently bad is a dick. Human bodies just seem like something that change a lot so, if nothing else, embracing it to stick it to people who disagree seems like it could be satisfying.

    I'm scared my personality will change, and I'll get cocky like the other fit people who lost a lot of weight and get to brag about it

    I honestly think the fact your worried about this makes this unlikely. I've always assumed the reason you see that is because the people most able to be fit (with the resources to do so) are going to be really privileged and also not have much else going on in their heads. There are many fit comrades that don't act like this, think about all the revolutionaries that probably had to condition themselves for physical combat. You don't really see them bragging about it every time someone interviews them.

    I'm scared of how I will be perceived during or even after the journey, comments like "homhom lost so much weight it looks good" make me feel like people will be relying on me to keep the weight off, opening up the possibility of being a failure

    This is probably a form of confrontation all of us would prefer to avoid, but I would confront people on that if they do that shit, if you can. Maybe just a snide comment about "Oh, so I didn't look good before?" (tell them they're lying if they say yes) to shut them down and hopefully stop yourself (and others around) from internalizing that shit.

    I'm scared I won't be able to eat yummy food again so I can maintain the new body

    I think this fits with the yo-yoing thing a bit. If you kind of embrace the changing nature of human bodies this seems like it would just be a whateverburger, though I understand that's hard to do with all the shit thrown at us constantly in media and culture.

    I'm scared more people will be attracted to me <- I don't get this one, I think it's also about perception

    No, no, that makes sense to me. As a AMAB person (I don't like using birth categorizations but I don't know how else to describe it succinctly) I don't get objectified all that much, but the stories I've heard and accounts I've seen are pretty horrific. I think this is a legitimate concern, and I (if I can play armchair psychologist a bit) assume it would also be heightened by a fear of "abandoning" the fat community, sort of a horrific one-two punch of fears.

    If I could suggest it, I would look into a lot of different punk dressing and presentation styles. You don't have to be fat to be look subversive, or avoid being conventionally attractive. I've heard of at least one style of dress that involves purposely wearing ill-fitting clothes (Unrelated but I've also heard it's conveniently very good for trans women because trans women and cis women both look ill-fitting in it, lol)

    • homhom9000 [she/her]
      hexagon
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      6 months ago

      This was all very helpful. I wrote some of it down in my journal. I took from it that the body is always changing and my worst(ish) fears are things that I've never done before (growing an ego) and things I already am (yo yoing or "failings" or being perceived). Accepting the constant state of the human body changing over a lifetime relieves some of the pressure I feel to succeed.

  • material_delinquent
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    6 months ago

    I think if you are femme, you can only lose looks-wise. Either hated or belittled, harassed either way.

    Health and weight are very tricky. I am no health expert, but it's about calories intake on the one hand, but also about your metabolism on the other hand. My experience is that learning to cook helped me keep a very decent weight while not being physically very active. There is a plateau to learning to cook where you struggle with setbacks until it sets in. In my exp, as long as it's made from scratch as much as possible, homemade food is pretty much always better than ready made (except if you like only do carbs or meat). Becoming vegan or cutting down on meat and diary might also help. Legumes are pretty nutritious and absorb flavors very well. Figuring out spice combinations is a bit tricky but once you have got it, it's frankly amazing to have a good lentil curry dish that tastes really nice for cheap and not a huge time investment.

    about becoming chauvinist by losing weight: I think nobody would shame trans women about getting FFS as long as they don't become binarists or shit on non-passing trans people (which seems to be the exception rather than the rule), which i think is somewhat similar to your concerns. Like in a perfect society, we wouldn't feel forced to confirm to this or that standard, but nobody can seriously expect of individuals to defy all norms all the time at once and to the utmost. If you feel too much distress by social norms on weight, adopting to fit them to some degree is acceptable as long as you remain critical of them and don't enforce them on others, even if your health is already good. You also demonstrate consciousness about these issues, which is the best guard against chauvinism imo (besides being directly affected by it obv)

    • material_delinquent
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      6 months ago

      Just to be clear, there are many factor in health, and weight is not necessarily the most important one, afaik