I'm the sort of person who really struggles (or has really struggled, might change some day) to feel social connection and camaraderie with anyone. I'm working on it but it's an uphill fight. Even though I feel warm toward people, and I want what's best for people around me, there's just some part of me that refuses to get any kind of nourishment from social interaction.
so like... SSRIs rock for someone like me, is all I'm saying.
*for more context, I have ADHD, and if what I'm describing sounds familiar to you and you know how to fix it please fucking tell me
It's a case of treating the symptom, and not the disease. It's good that people are getting relief, but the only way to cure society from the mental health epidemic is the death or capitalism and alienating wage labor.
Exactly. Until then I understand some people's resistance to therapy and psychology because it's so frequent used in service of employers through HR and just societal norms in general.
It also gets easier to treat the people who really need it when the societal stressors creating lots of these anxieties and depressions fade. They become more visible and easier to give special treatment to as opposed to just being another face in the line.
therapy has helped me a lot in the past when my main issues were my family, social stuff, school, even just some personal issues. But now that the biggest problem in my life is working, therapy feels increasingly useless, and I feel like I'm being blamed for not wanting to work
I’d look into a new therapist if you feel like you’ve hit a wall (or maybe even wrapping treatment for now).
Therapy isn’t supposed to go on forever, you can do it to build skills and then come back for a bit if/when you run into a problem you don’t know how to deal with.
Most therapists are cool with this and even encourage it.
You probs already know this, but definitely share how you’re thinking with your therapist. They can help figure out other areas you might want to work on and/or an “exit plan”. That’s totally normal and a part of the process.
That's absolutely how it feels to me. My friends who have mental health problems all agree, it feels like they just give you some pills (just one more bill to pay) and tell you to get back on your hamster wheel.
sure Caocao and his upvoters meant well but yeah. this is always the issue with mental states though: we all tend to project our own onto other people, because we've never experienced how it feels to be wired any other way than the way we're wired
also the "ADHD is made up" thing is so persistent partly because the motive checks out, like I understand why people find it persuasive. "Kid fidgets in class so drug 'em until they sit still" has the same shape as a lot of school abuse stories we hear.
Bingo. The take is very "feels" based because if they bothered looking into the topic, they'd believe both the people affected by it and the mountains of research into it.
A friend of mine was actually part of this information cause he needed a brain scan and has ADHD so they got him to consent to provide data. There are like, actual brain imaging differences.
yeah cause psychiatry is doing such a great job combatting depression, anxiety, etc.
“doctors exist and yet cancer still exists, curious”
Psychiatry + psychology is saving lives and keeps improving. It has flaws like all healthcare within capitalism.
These are real phenomena but cannot be addressed at the individual level. Chemical imbalance in the brain is a symptom, not a cause
It’s both. Even in a communist society, you would still have chemical imbalances, depression, neuro-divergence, schizophrenia, etc. The system would just be accommodating and not adding more stress.
Thinking capitalism is the cause of all mental health issues is utopic and not based in reality. It willfully ignores science in favor of ideology that is outdated and deleuzional (pun intended).
Close. It's true in the wild ADHD would not be maladaptive. It does however describe a specfic subset of neuroanatomical and functional features. As that is the case people don't get addicted to speed. That is actually normal people's relationship with caffine. People with most types of adhd have low dopamine levels. So very small doeses of stimulants are given to promote dopamine. If you want to picture it, it is actually more akin to changing the tuning of a car. ADHD actually represents a low idle speed. Patients with adhd have low dopamine, so they are basically waiting for something big to happen to they can respond to it. In the wild that was pretty common. Stimulants turn up the idle speed on the brain and convince it than regular tasks are worth doing.
If you are instrested, I can look up the proper pathophysiology of the dosal regulator clusters of the bain and the proper names for the systems involved. I can't remember off the top of my head right now.
ADHD infact incrased the odds of addictions. There is a bunch of xlinical data related to that. Some of it crosses over but some specifcially for that constalation of symptoms
Fucking thank you. This shit isn't some pharma plot to push meth. There were issues with over-prescribing like 20 years ago and it was largely dealt with. Mental healthcare is flawed within capitalism because fucking everything is flawed under capitalism.
edit: all mental illnesses are made up. There is no such thing as “neurotypical.” Psychiatry is modern-day alchemy. Read capitalism and schizophrenia by deleuze
That's exactly my experience with therapy. The therapist I visited didn't listen at all, but the moment I said I didn't have a job that was all he could talk about.
It's like, motherfucker, you're confusing cause and effect: I'm not depressed because I don't have a job, I don't have a job because I'm depressed. How is a job supposed to help me if I can't keep it when this episode of depression is fucking with me?
As someone with ADHD your sentiment is pretty bullshit tbh. There's a ton of stigma around stimulant medication and the laws around getting some for treatment are literal hell for people with executive functioning disorders. There's been a ton of research on them — if you need them, a therapeutic dose isn't at all the same as what NT people taking them at parties is. In fact other than improving mood and energy somewhat it's hard for me to comprehend what you'd get out of them — for me, taking my medication is like putting the glasses on my brain. And when the bullshit controlled substance laws make it so I have to ration my doses, I'm more likely to skip on workdays than on my days off because it just makes me feel more like myself — my short term memory functions better, I'm able to focus on stuff I wanna do instead of getting paralyzed scrolling or something, and it's easy to overcome the inertia that keeps me from switching from one thing to another.
Comparing stimulant medication to the opioid crisis is fucked up for so many reasons, not the least of which being that if you need adderall or whatever it's not habit-forming.
It's not my place to argue with someone with an ADHD diagnosis about their condition.
The fact is that amphetamine use has been normalized to an amazing degree in the culture. I don't think any other country regards them in the same way.
It's funny because the way it's been normalized to a degree for neurotypicals — i.e. neurotypicals taking it as a fun party drug like you mentioned — increases the stigma for people who actually need it to function. The perception is that I'm partying or tweaking every day, at work, whatever, when the reality is that I literally will forget to eat lunch if I'm not on my medication
Amphetamines, pharmaceutical or otherwise, have been used long before they were prescribed for ADHD related diagnoses, though. For fun, work and war. Their use was curtailed generally because of the heavy societal downsides of wide use.
I'm not commenting on your diagnosis, but on the current normalization of amphetamine use again. Opiods were over prescribed. It's not a stretch to say the same about amphetamines imo.
Even if they're over prescribed, what happens to someone who doesn't "need" it who has a script for it? They don't overdose, there's not much in the way of withdrawal at therapeutic doses, and it's significantly less addictive than opioids. You take it before work, your workday is a little more fun instead of excruciating. There can be some long-term health effects but nothing worse than the effects of alcohol use.
As we've seen with the war on drugs, all moralizing about drug use serves to "other" drug users — practically all of whom use drugs as a response to their material conditions — and this stigma ultimately leads to criminalization, which only serves to worsen the material conditions of drug users in a vicious cycle. If people wanna take the drugs I use for medicine just because they're fun, I fully support them — legalize everything tbh.
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It's meant as a substitute for social connection and comradery that is sucked out of your life the second you start relying on a wage.
I'm the sort of person who really struggles (or has really struggled, might change some day) to feel social connection and camaraderie with anyone. I'm working on it but it's an uphill fight. Even though I feel warm toward people, and I want what's best for people around me, there's just some part of me that refuses to get any kind of nourishment from social interaction.
so like... SSRIs rock for someone like me, is all I'm saying.
*for more context, I have ADHD, and if what I'm describing sounds familiar to you and you know how to fix it please fucking tell me
In that case, therapy should be in service of you being more comfortable with that comradere, and not focused on getting you back into wage labor.
hell yeah
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It's a case of treating the symptom, and not the disease. It's good that people are getting relief, but the only way to cure society from the mental health epidemic is the death or capitalism and alienating wage labor.
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Exactly. Until then I understand some people's resistance to therapy and psychology because it's so frequent used in service of employers through HR and just societal norms in general.
It also gets easier to treat the people who really need it when the societal stressors creating lots of these anxieties and depressions fade. They become more visible and easier to give special treatment to as opposed to just being another face in the line.
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therapy has helped me a lot in the past when my main issues were my family, social stuff, school, even just some personal issues. But now that the biggest problem in my life is working, therapy feels increasingly useless, and I feel like I'm being blamed for not wanting to work
I’d look into a new therapist if you feel like you’ve hit a wall (or maybe even wrapping treatment for now).
Therapy isn’t supposed to go on forever, you can do it to build skills and then come back for a bit if/when you run into a problem you don’t know how to deal with.
Most therapists are cool with this and even encourage it.
yeah ive been thinking this way lately. I might wait until I get a little more settled in my new job and then cut it off
You probs already know this, but definitely share how you’re thinking with your therapist. They can help figure out other areas you might want to work on and/or an “exit plan”. That’s totally normal and a part of the process.
That's absolutely how it feels to me. My friends who have mental health problems all agree, it feels like they just give you some pills (just one more bill to pay) and tell you to get back on your hamster wheel.
Have mental health problems and do not agree.
I don't want to discredit it entirely but my experience with psychiatrists and mental health centers has been more traumatic in itself than helpful
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Yeah, this is ableist as fuck. ADHD is not made up.
sure Caocao and his upvoters meant well but yeah. this is always the issue with mental states though: we all tend to project our own onto other people, because we've never experienced how it feels to be wired any other way than the way we're wired
also the "ADHD is made up" thing is so persistent partly because the motive checks out, like I understand why people find it persuasive. "Kid fidgets in class so drug 'em until they sit still" has the same shape as a lot of school abuse stories we hear.
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Bingo. The take is very "feels" based because if they bothered looking into the topic, they'd believe both the people affected by it and the mountains of research into it.
A friend of mine was actually part of this information cause he needed a brain scan and has ADHD so they got him to consent to provide data. There are like, actual brain imaging differences.
Yeah. Being neurodivergent is a pain in the ass in a society that is built to squeak effencies out of the median brain chemistry.
You learn to deal with it in different ways, but everyone is very much wired differently along a spectrum.
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"oh hey, being a chode got a response."
So you're what, admitting to intentionally trolling?
germ theory = ideology. Read capitalism and the four humours by deleuze.
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“doctors exist and yet cancer still exists, curious”
Psychiatry + psychology is saving lives and keeps improving. It has flaws like all healthcare within capitalism.
It’s both. Even in a communist society, you would still have chemical imbalances, depression, neuro-divergence, schizophrenia, etc. The system would just be accommodating and not adding more stress.
Thinking capitalism is the cause of all mental health issues is utopic and not based in reality. It willfully ignores science in favor of ideology that is outdated and deleuzional (pun intended).
alright, I see you're doubling down on this without education
let me ask you something. where do you think schizophrenia comes from? can anyone develop schizophrenia if they have a bad day?
:PIGPOOPBALLS:
My ADHD is not made up fuck off.
Love when dudes are so obsessed with owning the libs that they think pop psychology means psychology is fake.
Imagine watching doctor oz and deciding that germs weren’t real lol
:PIGPOOPBALLS:
Close. It's true in the wild ADHD would not be maladaptive. It does however describe a specfic subset of neuroanatomical and functional features. As that is the case people don't get addicted to speed. That is actually normal people's relationship with caffine. People with most types of adhd have low dopamine levels. So very small doeses of stimulants are given to promote dopamine. If you want to picture it, it is actually more akin to changing the tuning of a car. ADHD actually represents a low idle speed. Patients with adhd have low dopamine, so they are basically waiting for something big to happen to they can respond to it. In the wild that was pretty common. Stimulants turn up the idle speed on the brain and convince it than regular tasks are worth doing.
If you are instrested, I can look up the proper pathophysiology of the dosal regulator clusters of the bain and the proper names for the systems involved. I can't remember off the top of my head right now.
Agree, but will add that ADHD does not make you remotely immune to abusing/becoming addicted to speed. I am imperical proof.
ADHD infact incrased the odds of addictions. There is a bunch of xlinical data related to that. Some of it crosses over but some specifcially for that constalation of symptoms
Fucking thank you. This shit isn't some pharma plot to push meth. There were issues with over-prescribing like 20 years ago and it was largely dealt with. Mental healthcare is flawed within capitalism because fucking everything is flawed under capitalism.
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I want to say "deleuze and his consequences" but I dont know shit about the guy but I'm pretty sure that would be a correct statement.
If his take is that capitalism causes neurodivergence, then he's just the ableist version of the "homosexuality is bourgeoisie decadence" take.
Haven't bothered reading and don't think I will anytime soon based on who recommended him. Time better spent readint other things.
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That's exactly my experience with therapy. The therapist I visited didn't listen at all, but the moment I said I didn't have a job that was all he could talk about.
It's like, motherfucker, you're confusing cause and effect: I'm not depressed because I don't have a job, I don't have a job because I'm depressed. How is a job supposed to help me if I can't keep it when this episode of depression is fucking with me?
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As someone with ADHD your sentiment is pretty bullshit tbh. There's a ton of stigma around stimulant medication and the laws around getting some for treatment are literal hell for people with executive functioning disorders. There's been a ton of research on them — if you need them, a therapeutic dose isn't at all the same as what NT people taking them at parties is. In fact other than improving mood and energy somewhat it's hard for me to comprehend what you'd get out of them — for me, taking my medication is like putting the glasses on my brain. And when the bullshit controlled substance laws make it so I have to ration my doses, I'm more likely to skip on workdays than on my days off because it just makes me feel more like myself — my short term memory functions better, I'm able to focus on stuff I wanna do instead of getting paralyzed scrolling or something, and it's easy to overcome the inertia that keeps me from switching from one thing to another.
Comparing stimulant medication to the opioid crisis is fucked up for so many reasons, not the least of which being that if you need adderall or whatever it's not habit-forming.
It's not my place to argue with someone with an ADHD diagnosis about their condition.
The fact is that amphetamine use has been normalized to an amazing degree in the culture. I don't think any other country regards them in the same way.
It's funny because the way it's been normalized to a degree for neurotypicals — i.e. neurotypicals taking it as a fun party drug like you mentioned — increases the stigma for people who actually need it to function. The perception is that I'm partying or tweaking every day, at work, whatever, when the reality is that I literally will forget to eat lunch if I'm not on my medication
Amphetamines, pharmaceutical or otherwise, have been used long before they were prescribed for ADHD related diagnoses, though. For fun, work and war. Their use was curtailed generally because of the heavy societal downsides of wide use.
I'm not commenting on your diagnosis, but on the current normalization of amphetamine use again. Opiods were over prescribed. It's not a stretch to say the same about amphetamines imo.
Even if they're over prescribed, what happens to someone who doesn't "need" it who has a script for it? They don't overdose, there's not much in the way of withdrawal at therapeutic doses, and it's significantly less addictive than opioids. You take it before work, your workday is a little more fun instead of excruciating. There can be some long-term health effects but nothing worse than the effects of alcohol use.
As we've seen with the war on drugs, all moralizing about drug use serves to "other" drug users — practically all of whom use drugs as a response to their material conditions — and this stigma ultimately leads to criminalization, which only serves to worsen the material conditions of drug users in a vicious cycle. If people wanna take the drugs I use for medicine just because they're fun, I fully support them — legalize everything tbh.
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