Socialist theorists and not writing coherently, name a more iconic duo.

  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    The protagonist of The Fountainhead actually rapes a woman and then blows up a housing project he designed because the construction company changed the slant of some of the roofs

    He then defends himself in court without a lawyer by claiming he was allowed to blow it up because he's basically the same as a god because the housing projects wouldn't exist without him. The protagonist defends himself so well the main antagonist (a socialist newspaper editor) shoots himself in the head with a pistol he had always kept at his work desk specifically for that purpose. The protagonist then gets a job designing the tallest building on earth and the woman he raped falls madly in love with him. The end.

    • Gonzalo [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Bioshock is the most honest exploration of “objectivism” that will ever appear in pop culture.

        • Gonzalo [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          I get that. The mechanics haven’t aged as well as other games, but it was a great ride at the time.

          • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            Yeah, I felt that playing it. Very 2008 game. PS2 game but with better graphics.

            • Gonzalo [they/them]
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              3 years ago

              Yup. They didn’t adapt much of the core gameplay loop from system shock. The in-game environmental cut scenes were pretty groundbreaking at the time.

              • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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                3 years ago

                Yeah, I would have enjoyed it then, maybe. I may plow through it sometime. It was like $3

                • Gonzalo [they/them]
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                  3 years ago

                  It’s basically a walking simulator with a (now) shitty combat system bolted on. Approaching it with those expectations makes it a nicer ride imo

    • Yllych [any]
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      3 years ago

      Ayn Rand honestly believed that whenever the railroad managers or execs call in sick they take all the trains and rail home

    • MasterShakeVoice [undecided]
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      3 years ago

      I never read Atlas Sucked mostly because South Park told me it was a book for chicken fuckers, a book so singularly bad it justified analphabetism. This is why I still have residual respect for Matt and Trey

      But from the summary I assume looters is a cute term for soc-dem or even just Keynesian politicians.

      • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        It's really funny how there's this big internecine conflict inside libertarianism between the Objectivists and the people who really fucking hate Ayn Rand. Like one of the most thorough takedowns of Ayn Rand's cult was written by IIRC Murray fucking Rothbard of all people. It's like you've got this bloc who have this sort of hero-figure of a sociopathic "visionary" executive-founder-owner-engineer as literal Atlas analogue holding up businesses with the angularness of his chin and doing everything for everyone, and then a separate bloc who think corporate executives are communists and the "real" hero figures are small settler businessmen who seize resources that were "just there existing without being exploited" (either literally or figuratively), and they both just scream that the other bloc are fascists and rubes.

        And of course the truth is that both of those blocs are basically fascist, or at least siblings to fascism.

        • Gonzalo [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          :stalin-approval: “No, no, we’re going to kill all of you fashy boiz.”

      • Gonzalo [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Looters is a cute term for actual workers and not the owning class lol

        • Gonzalo [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          People tried to do that during the BLM uprisings. It ended about as well as you’d expect.

      • Gonzalo [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        You saved valuable time, it’s not worth reading and is also aggressively misogynistic.

  • GnastyGnuts [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    "Left anticommunists remained studiously unimpressed by the dramatic gains won by masses of previously impoverished people under communism. Some were even scornful of such accomplishments. I recall how in Burlington Vermont, in 1971, the noted anticommunist anarchist, Murray Bookchin, derisively referred to my concern for “the poor little children who got fed under communism”. - Parenti, Left Anti-Communism: The Unkindest Cut

    • MasterShakeVoice [undecided]
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      3 years ago

      He has "mixed feelings" about them, then immediately goes into fanboy trivia about his favorite character

      • Gonzalo [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        And mixes up private and personal property throughout, which is fucking weird for an anarchist to do.

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      I don't wanna get into the territory of sexual pathology as politics, but Rand apparently had some kind of submission and/or rape fetish that probably leaked into her general worldview

      • Gonzalo [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Internalized misogyny is a fuck. Rand wrote a lot in Atlas Shrugged about it somehow being empowering for women to “allow” themselves to be owned by men.

        If you don’t reconcile or accept your fetishes / sexuality, it will absolutely come out in random unhealthy ways that are extremely obvious to everyone else.

        • CoconutOctopus [it/its]
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          3 years ago

          Rand wrote a lot in Atlas Shrugged about it somehow being empowering for women to “allow” themselves to be owned by men.

          It's like she's the evil mirror universe version of William Moulton Marston.

      • Good_Username [they/them,e/em/eir]
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        3 years ago

        As someone who has read Atlas Shrugged, yeah, she does. Like, it's not even subtle. Every sex scene in that book is gross. And apparently Fountainhead is worse? What a world.

    • please_dont [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Well he is on record saying that he would side with ancaps and libertarians against AUTHORITARIAN LEFTISTS (mls , leninists ,maoists etc)...

      We like to mock takes like that as "reddit anarchist" phenomenon but fucking popular figureheads of "libleft" thought have these wall worthy radlib "viewpoints". Too much chomsky or Bookchin rots the brain

      • Gonzalo [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Sectarian brainworms in general are cringe and don’t reflect the realty of leftism in the imperial core. Important not to read any theory as scripture, leads you down the path of the armchair lifestylist.

  • please_dont [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Bookchin gets worse (and more flimsy in his analysis and proposals) the more you read him and the more you veer into his takes and worldview

    Like when he said he would ally with libertarians and ancaps to take down a leninist US government

    Or this https://bennorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Murray-Bookchin-Israel-Zionist.jpg

    We justifiably dunk on poor uncle Chomsky from time to time but Bookchin has posted way worse radlib cringe.

    The people on the right who call themselves 'libertarians' are proprietarians

    cant get much worse that this

  • Tiocfaidhcaisarla [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    What if instead of Google Murray Bookchin it was Google Murray Blockchain and it was just for the... people that use blockchain I do not understand blockchain

    • Gonzalo [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Earlyish Bookchin is decent and he made some interesting contributions to anarchist theory, but he needed a goddamn editor. Even his good books are kind of a mess imo.

      I have a pretty low tolerance for people who don’t get to the point, for what it’s worth. I have the same criticism of different marxist-adjacent writers as well (zizek comes to mind).

      • Gonzalo [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        :zizek-fuck: (schniff)

        “and now I will write sho terribly about ze philosophy of gender that othersh zink I am a transhphobe deshpite jusht being a dumbash and sho on and sho forth”

        Seriously, read his shitty article on gender liberation where he makes up his own definition of gender and then argues about it with himself while not clearly even switching perspectives. Complete fucking mess.

    • CoconutOctopus [it/its]
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      3 years ago

      Ironically, fairly early Bookchin is mostly better than late Bookchin. I recommend Post-Scarcity Anarchism.

      I like the ideas of Apoism - synthesizing Bookchin with Mao - but everything I can find from Oçalan translated into English is vague as hell.

  • Sushi_Desires
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    3 years ago

    This is like when I bought The Sublime Object of Ideology and I opened it and was like "wait now who is this lacan fella"

  • Mardoniush [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    I found post scarcity anarchism to be a pretty easy read even for someone like me who didnt have a solid theory backing at the time.

    • Gonzalo [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Firm disagree here. It’s a definite strain that comes from the cope around not accepting the privilege created by the imperial core’s stolen wealth, but by no means a majority.

      There is a long and very proud history in america of actual socialists / leftists coming from the working class and other marginalized groups.