I do sometimes wonder about the difference between a working class armed/not surrendering arms and a working class that has consumptive armament habits.
Marx was specifically talking about not surrendering arms. Which is what you'd be told to do when a war ended or you lost a battle (literally line up and drop your weapons in a pile).
Is elimination of a commodified gun market the same as surrendering arms?
Guns only have power when they're part of an organized, principled resistance/revolutionary army that's prepared to take on the mantle of state. Otherwise they're just another luxury commodity.
Guns have power when organized into a semi-competent militia as well. A small but organized group with open carry rifles is intimidating to cops in a good way.
It is also the start of a community defense group in case reactionaries get the idea to act like brownshirts.
You also simply aren't going to get a principled revolutionary army directly, it will be built in peace times from groups like the above or from a civil war.
Exactly, almost an successful revolutions occurred during or right after war. Revolutionary defeatism can spread through a national guard or military pretty quick once they start dying and aren't even getting paid.
Military coup works too, anything that leverages radicalized workers in a state organized armed body.
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I do sometimes wonder about the difference between a working class armed/not surrendering arms and a working class that has consumptive armament habits.
Marx was specifically talking about not surrendering arms. Which is what you'd be told to do when a war ended or you lost a battle (literally line up and drop your weapons in a pile).
Is elimination of a commodified gun market the same as surrendering arms?
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Guns only have power when they're part of an organized, principled resistance/revolutionary army that's prepared to take on the mantle of state. Otherwise they're just another luxury commodity.
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Guns have power when organized into a semi-competent militia as well. A small but organized group with open carry rifles is intimidating to cops in a good way.
It is also the start of a community defense group in case reactionaries get the idea to act like brownshirts.
You also simply aren't going to get a principled revolutionary army directly, it will be built in peace times from groups like the above or from a civil war.
Exactly, almost an successful revolutions occurred during or right after war. Revolutionary defeatism can spread through a national guard or military pretty quick once they start dying and aren't even getting paid.
Military coup works too, anything that leverages radicalized workers in a state organized armed body.
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