The House of Gucci director, who has spoken negatively about comic-book based films before as well, was asked by Deadline about his main gripe with the superhero genre.
Is it about the movies being good or not? If you say you prefer Prometheus over capeshit then you're okay with bad movies. If capeshit is bad because they're bad movies, then you haven't changed your position on bad movies. Which means the gripe with capeshit is more than film appreciation. It's more to do with you railing against consumerism or corporate products than talking about what makes a good movie. But at the same time, you're fine with corporate products because you're choosing Prometheus, a cash grab reboot on a beloved 40 year old series. So is it really consumerism or is it something else. I venture to guess that it's about others seeing you rail against capeshit. It's about the image of a discerning consumer, not just a mindless consumer. This stems from dissonance of having anti-corporate and consumerist views while having no choice but to be a consumer. The resolution to the dissonance is to then retreat back into a inconsistent appreciation of aesthetics where it's okay to watch a bad movie, as long as it's interesting. Which is what anti-capeshit people tell themselves about liking bad movies that aren't capeshit. Sure they're horrible, but they're interesting. However, they are not.
Of course the fact that there are a solid demographic of anti-capeshitters and pro-capeshitters locked in some kind of weird brand war of genreshit, further shows the influence of the commodification of art and how we all have consumer-poisioned brains.
Sorry if this seems like a weird attack or overly serious response to a casual post. I'm just using you as a jumping off point for my opinions on the capeshit wars. It's more of me replying to everyone I've ever argued with about it online than specifically you. Mainly it stems from my grudge against Chapos for having bad opinions on movies such as "I'd take Zack Snyder over Marvel because he's interesting." Which is like saying I'll take dogshit over horseshit because it's interesting. How interesting can eating shit be that one experience is some how more appreciable than the other? IDK
Which means the gripe with capeshit is more than film appreciation. It’s more to do with you railing against consumerism or corporate products than talking about what makes a good movie.
No, my gripe is with rehashed characters and end of the world plotlines vs a relatively ambitious film that at least tries to tell a new story.
Capeshit is capeshit because it’s the same shit over and over and over again.
And Prometheus was a very decent film with great cinematography. Ok, maybe some characters were stupid, maybe it relied too much on suspension of disbelief but Scott at least gave it a shot. It’s all corporatized shlock but we live in a material reality in which we’re compelled to participate in and Prometheus at least stimulates the imagination. I enjoyed the the first few capeshit movies but there’s been literally 100s of them with literally the same characters and storylines. That’s indefensible.
But Prometheus didn't try to tell a new story. It was the same plot as every other alien movie. People discover aliens and then it hunts them 1 by 1 until there's a final showdown. It threw in the stuff about Engineers to give a backstory for a prop from Alien. It's the same instinct to prequalize that we seen throughout capeshit and the industry as a whole. Because Hollywood is designed to churn out the same shit over and over again. Capeshit is not a unique blight causing this. Even Ridley and/or the studio put out promotional material/easter eggs trying to connect Blade Runner to Prometheus (and therefore Alien. There is your extended universe idea. You can see pieces of the MCU, both running concurrently with it and preceding it. Disney just happened to consolidate all those corporate instincts into one franchise and commit to it.
I think Ridley's sentiment is just a coping mechanism. Directors used to be part of the talent pool. You saw a Spielberg movie because he was a brand and you could rely on that brand to produce good content (if he was your thing). Disney figured out that directors don't matter as much. They could pick these indie and inexperienced directors but put them with a good producer and make more money. Feige is the talent of the MCU, not the directors. That's going to become the norm for these kinds of movies. Since Ridley made his brand on these kinds of movies, it makes sense that he doesn't like it. It's just that his opinion rings hollow because it's just sour grapes.
interesting take. but i think that most marvel movies aren't told masterfully either. there's a certain cinematic formula they follow for most of them that goes beyond just writing - it's the lighting, colour palette, etc. they're technically competent movies with mostly great special effects, but i don't think you can call them 'craftsmanship' if they don't do anything very cool visually. there's more to even just the visual aspects of a movie (not to mention how they affect one's perception of the story) than their just looking good.
also, we thankfully don't personally remember every story ever told, and until our memory somehow becomes that good, there's loads of ways to tell previously told stories that make us think they're awesome.
I love how the reddit thread has a bunch of capeshit nerds crying about this. "wHaT AbOuT Prometheus? "
I'll take Prometheus over the 135th version of Batboy 135 times.
Is it about the movies being good or not? If you say you prefer Prometheus over capeshit then you're okay with bad movies. If capeshit is bad because they're bad movies, then you haven't changed your position on bad movies. Which means the gripe with capeshit is more than film appreciation. It's more to do with you railing against consumerism or corporate products than talking about what makes a good movie. But at the same time, you're fine with corporate products because you're choosing Prometheus, a cash grab reboot on a beloved 40 year old series. So is it really consumerism or is it something else. I venture to guess that it's about others seeing you rail against capeshit. It's about the image of a discerning consumer, not just a mindless consumer. This stems from dissonance of having anti-corporate and consumerist views while having no choice but to be a consumer. The resolution to the dissonance is to then retreat back into a inconsistent appreciation of aesthetics where it's okay to watch a bad movie, as long as it's interesting. Which is what anti-capeshit people tell themselves about liking bad movies that aren't capeshit. Sure they're horrible, but they're interesting. However, they are not.
Of course the fact that there are a solid demographic of anti-capeshitters and pro-capeshitters locked in some kind of weird brand war of genreshit, further shows the influence of the commodification of art and how we all have consumer-poisioned brains.
Sorry if this seems like a weird attack or overly serious response to a casual post. I'm just using you as a jumping off point for my opinions on the capeshit wars. It's more of me replying to everyone I've ever argued with about it online than specifically you. Mainly it stems from my grudge against Chapos for having bad opinions on movies such as "I'd take Zack Snyder over Marvel because he's interesting." Which is like saying I'll take dogshit over horseshit because it's interesting. How interesting can eating shit be that one experience is some how more appreciable than the other? IDK
No, my gripe is with rehashed characters and end of the world plotlines vs a relatively ambitious film that at least tries to tell a new story.
Capeshit is capeshit because it’s the same shit over and over and over again.
And Prometheus was a very decent film with great cinematography. Ok, maybe some characters were stupid, maybe it relied too much on suspension of disbelief but Scott at least gave it a shot. It’s all corporatized shlock but we live in a material reality in which we’re compelled to participate in and Prometheus at least stimulates the imagination. I enjoyed the the first few capeshit movies but there’s been literally 100s of them with literally the same characters and storylines. That’s indefensible.
But Prometheus didn't try to tell a new story. It was the same plot as every other alien movie. People discover aliens and then it hunts them 1 by 1 until there's a final showdown. It threw in the stuff about Engineers to give a backstory for a prop from Alien. It's the same instinct to prequalize that we seen throughout capeshit and the industry as a whole. Because Hollywood is designed to churn out the same shit over and over again. Capeshit is not a unique blight causing this. Even Ridley and/or the studio put out promotional material/easter eggs trying to connect Blade Runner to Prometheus (and therefore Alien. There is your extended universe idea. You can see pieces of the MCU, both running concurrently with it and preceding it. Disney just happened to consolidate all those corporate instincts into one franchise and commit to it.
I think Ridley's sentiment is just a coping mechanism. Directors used to be part of the talent pool. You saw a Spielberg movie because he was a brand and you could rely on that brand to produce good content (if he was your thing). Disney figured out that directors don't matter as much. They could pick these indie and inexperienced directors but put them with a good producer and make more money. Feige is the talent of the MCU, not the directors. That's going to become the norm for these kinds of movies. Since Ridley made his brand on these kinds of movies, it makes sense that he doesn't like it. It's just that his opinion rings hollow because it's just sour grapes.
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interesting take. but i think that most marvel movies aren't told masterfully either. there's a certain cinematic formula they follow for most of them that goes beyond just writing - it's the lighting, colour palette, etc. they're technically competent movies with mostly great special effects, but i don't think you can call them 'craftsmanship' if they don't do anything very cool visually. there's more to even just the visual aspects of a movie (not to mention how they affect one's perception of the story) than their just looking good.
also, we thankfully don't personally remember every story ever told, and until our memory somehow becomes that good, there's loads of ways to tell previously told stories that make us think they're awesome.
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prometheus was so much worse imo and ridley scott is typically full of himself for making a handful of good movies decades ago
but i prefer capeshit that knows its capeshit. deadpool, thor ragnarok, and venom seem to understand that they are capeshit and nothing else
It was so much worse than what, Avengers Endgame? Thor2,3? Spiderman 7?
Nah, Prometheus is good compared to a lot of high budget shit.
those movies dont understand they are capeshit and therefore are bad because they try to send a message
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