Idk, does anyone else feel totally burned out on the Epstein thing? A little bit of it for me is just how much the right has embraced it. But the much bigger thing for me is, I feel like I can kinda see it all and no matter what, no one is gonna face any justice and nothing will change. Epstein himself is dead. Honestly, we could have incontrovertible evidence of Clinton and Trump doing horrific thing and their defenders will defend them and haters will gloat (but not actually be outraged), and that’s all.
I think it’s obvious that Epstein was working with intelligence services (CIA and Mossad at a minimum) to get leverage on powerful people for them. That’s the long and short of it. But no one other than a few of us on the left care about this angle. Frankly, even if we could show how deeply the intelligence services were involved in all this, would anyone actually care?
The universal immediate response from both sides of "just because they had a long documented relationship with Epstein at a time everybody knew he was the pedo sex island guy doesn't mean they did anything wrong" has been the most exhausting part.
Like sure, it's not a log book for the sex dungeon but anybody on that list should be viewed with extreme skepticism unless they come up with a very good, very detailed, very corroborated explanation for what they were doing.
Especially with the whole "Epstein didn't kill himself" thing. Epstein was being held in one of the shittiest jails in New York. There were like 5 guards for 750 inmates, sewage regularly came up into the place, it was rat infested, security footage regularly lapsed. He was being treated like any other criminal in New York, his life was entirely over and he had lost the control he had built over decades. He was either silent and took the fall for the entire operation, or started talking and got a shit plea and assassination. Why wouldn't he kill himself?
Idk, does anyone else feel totally burned out on the Epstein thing? A little bit of it for me is just how much the right has embraced it. But the much bigger thing for me is, I feel like I can kinda see it all and no matter what, no one is gonna face any justice and nothing will change. Epstein himself is dead. Honestly, we could have incontrovertible evidence of Clinton and Trump doing horrific thing and their defenders will defend them and haters will gloat (but not actually be outraged), and that’s all.
I think it’s obvious that Epstein was working with intelligence services (CIA and Mossad at a minimum) to get leverage on powerful people for them. That’s the long and short of it. But no one other than a few of us on the left care about this angle. Frankly, even if we could show how deeply the intelligence services were involved in all this, would anyone actually care?
The universal immediate response from both sides of "just because they had a long documented relationship with Epstein at a time everybody knew he was the pedo sex island guy doesn't mean they did anything wrong" has been the most exhausting part.
Like sure, it's not a log book for the sex dungeon but anybody on that list should be viewed with extreme skepticism unless they come up with a very good, very detailed, very corroborated explanation for what they were doing.
Very burnt out.
CW: suicide
Especially with the whole "Epstein didn't kill himself" thing. Epstein was being held in one of the shittiest jails in New York. There were like 5 guards for 750 inmates, sewage regularly came up into the place, it was rat infested, security footage regularly lapsed. He was being treated like any other criminal in New York, his life was entirely over and he had lost the control he had built over decades. He was either silent and took the fall for the entire operation, or started talking and got a shit plea and assassination. Why wouldn't he kill himself?