https://twitter.com/SDonziger/status/1463185098967326723

  • Bernies3trlnKielbasa [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    But, I mean, I don’t think we should downplay the sexual abuse perpetrated by people in power by saying those those call them out are “irrelevant”.

    It's entirely irrelevant to the NYT and their audience. Same as the alleged Uighur bullshit.

    This is not a judgment about sexual abuse. It's a judgment about topics in foreign countries and why they are (or are not) amplified by western media.

    What China does or doesn't do is beyond my control or ability to influence. There is no need for me to have any comment on it. The same applies to the NYT.

    What IS within our ability to influence is what our government does, what actions our elected representatives take, which in turn can have a direct effect on the Donziger matter. We can influence that and we should.

    • OgdenTO [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I don't think the concept of "if I can't directly change something I shouldn't even know about it" is worth following.

      I'm not sure where it came from but it's widespread here.

      I think that's counterproductive in that how is one supposed to work toward internationalism when you want to cut yourself off from foreign news?

      Anyway, we should all effect change at home where we can have an effect - but this sentiment of wanting ignorance in foreign matters is pretty lazy.

      • Bernies3trlnKielbasa [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I shouldn’t even know about it”

        P sure I didn't say this though. I did say there's no need for me to comment on it.

        NYT don't need to comment, either. They need to clean their own house but they'd rather beat the war drums.

        • OgdenTO [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I mean, you said that the NYT shouldn't comment on it. All corporate media is biased and will report what they want to report. Unfortunately it is also how people in the west get their news.

          Saying that NYT shouldn't comment is essentially saying that it shouldn't be reported on.

          I know thatight be a stretch on what you meant - but I don't see there being a different implementation in practice.

          If the threshold of what should be reported, then, is what we can have an effect on, then that limits reporting to local news only.

          At least that's how I read your post.

            • OgdenTO [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              If the NYT would just clean their room that would be a first step to better reporting

    • LibsEatPoop3 [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I can understand your sentiment.

      The accusations should be reported on in at least three categories - Foreign/International, Sports, and MeToo/Feminism. If that justifies its placement on the front/home page is debatable. Oh and if the newspaper/magazine has a dedicated China section (separate from just Foreign/International) then the story can be published there as well.

      • Bernies3trlnKielbasa [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        They can agitate passionately for Donziger first. Until then, this is just CIA bullshit. Fuck the NYT.

        You're not wrong but, see above.