Like, advanced technology, focusing entirely on intercrew arguments, (terrible dialogue and cheesy action), ships flying sideways, no knowledge of ship operations and procedures. Magic technology. Blasters of different colours so we can tell good guys from bad guys. Robots and drones. Really, that's the big one.

If you hate star trek so much Kurtzman, just make a different show.

  • berrytopylus [she/her,they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Honestly having gone back and watched Star Trek for the first time recently, it seems like it has had magic technology from the start. The teleporters made an evil clone, there's literally a God species and two people who were turned into gods because they were already espers, multiple forms of mind control and just some other weird shenanigans going on just for the first season.

    Some of these characters are more magically powerful than anybody in Star wars

    • Duckduck [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      It's science fiction. You could do anything you wanted. It was just imagination.

      And that's the part of Star Trek I miss the most. Science. If it's science fiction, you've got to have science in it. Yeah teleport beams were fanciful but not out of the realm of what could happen. At least by the standards of science that existed in the 60s. Who knew where technology was going to go? We went from the Wright Flyer to the moon landing in 67 years.

    • ssjmarx [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I think the "magic technology" thing is a bit of a mislead. It isn't that Star Trek never had fanciful things in it, it's more that it took the implications of its tech a lot more seriously and thought it all through a lot more than the more "soft" sci fi shows like Star Wars. Like in Star Wars you have FTL travel, sentient robots, laser cannons and stuff - but for some reason everything is either the Wild West or World War II and it's best if you don't think about it too hard. Star Trek though goes way out of its way to explain how its tech shapes its worlds and the people on them, so it's a lot more jarring when the technology is just being made up on the fly instead of based on something that's been preestablished.

      Anyway the transporters work by disassembling you at an atomic level and reassembling you somewhere else. It's unclear whether the "you" at the other end of any given teleportation is actually you or if you die in the process, but I'm of the opinion that the clones that sometimes emerge (both evil and not) from transporters imply that the original is being killed every time someone transports but that the galaxy is ideologically committed to telling itself over and over that that isn't the case.

    • OgdenTO [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      But at least the technology wasn't a character on the show - and they made an effort to make it believable and consistent -and where it wasn't believable - they don't try to explain. It just is, it's normal, and it's not a big deal.

      And they don't try to make giant waterbears travel through and interdimensional fungal network. Like, it's just dumb, actually. And in the decades before the original series.

      Yes, there were some magically powerful people, including the pah wraiths even on DS9 that are some kind of religious magic that I try to ignore, but it just seems so badly done on disco, and on every scene, as if the future technology is the focus, and not the people.

      • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        The Path Wraiths and Prophets are not believed by everyone and in part probably from Starfleet cause they've seen shit like that before.

      • SerLava [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        They set up the Pah Wraiths and other "magical" species really well though. It's like this attainable but distant level of advancement. It's supposed to sort of humble humanity.

        They have the wormwhole alien/prophet dichotomy from the get go. You realize that the line between Bajoran gods and advanced beings is very blurry. Like they're confronting the issue head-on the whole time. It's clear that the prophets are just very powerful life forms, and Starfleet doesn't believe they exist until they have clear an unambiguous effects upon the universe.