I hope white anarchists/leftist never get so see their vision come...
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I really mean this, how black and Indigenous radicals are treated in these spaces shows me what the world white anarchists want to build looks...

ironically the top thing on their sub right now is: "Accomplices Not Allies | Abolishing the Ally Industrial Complex; An Indigenous perspective & provocation" :michael-laugh:

OP:

"I hope white anarchists/leftist never get so see their vision come true, because that vision is hell for us Black and Indigenous anarchists"

I really mean this, how black and Indigenous radicals are treated in these spaces shows me what the world white anarchists want to build looks like. We've seen examples already with CHAZ were two black teens were killed, and whites tried saying they were robbing or fascists or something, not owning up to what they did. No I see no revolutionary potential among white people, y'all can be mad if you want I won't explain any further. Y'all gotta take a deep look at yallselves and fucking change. 5 points (52% upvoted)

Where's the cOmMuNiTy MuTuAl AiD for the black teen they paralyzed? Say their name! :amber-snacking:

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Support intersectionality. Get your woke segregationist bullshit out of here.

lmao literally just /r/stupidpol idealists with the exact same thought-terminating cliches, but pro-intersectionality? There's a reason why these labor aristocrats on Breadtube/WSWS/etc never tweet the word "segregation" unless they're hating on black teens for being "woke", or soyfacing at Bernie getting arrested 60 years ago: They are radlibs who cannot reckon with the material conditions of the Actually Existing Segregationist apartheid that allows them to not have real jobs ("nooo that's evil Stalinism to force me to stop being a furry zine artist!!! My youtube channel/Trot newsletter is doing revolutionary praxis by scolding the blacks for not being patriotic settler vampires like me")

Yea, but building communities and boundaries based on race, seems to be a nazi sweet dream.

Your equation of white = oppressor is the same type of thought as a typical local nationalist's roma=robber, stealer, thief, lowlife. Turning the pyramid on its head its not ending opression. Forgetting and forging new ways of life is whats going to end opression. Lots of Nations and Nationalistic hate is build on "memory", don't reproduce the same mistakes.

Imagine whining about "memory"...what's the opposite of historical materialism? This willfull smoothbrain ideology is it

So my point here is that our identities, our histories, our heritage are experiences during opressive hierchies. If we believe of planet without borders, of people freely deciding their lives, we should first stop being slaves to our roots.

white people who can't say the word segregation unless they're mocking "woke segregationist" black teens (who they reflexively shoot to defend their white settler communities) think they're "slaves" to the memory of their nazism. It's vitally important for them to forget the past so they can do open borders undocumented slave apartheid without any friction to their utopian dreams :maybe-later-kiddo:

  • effervescent [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Just straight copypasting this whole comment because it gets right to the point:

    Yes, they might think they want an egalitarian society, but when it comes down to it, that's not how they act. They should want to abolish race, and they claim they do, but that is easier said than done. You can't just abolish race by saying "I don't believe in white supremacy." That's about as lazy as people who think they can't be racist when they say "I don't see color." It requires that you work on yourself beyond just lip service.

    Are you quick to assume BIPoC are dangerous? Even if you don't believe in calling the cops, will you then become the cop and force them to act a certain way? Will you over-use "self-defense" as an excuse to abuse them?

    Are your more likely to support white people over people of color? Do you find yourself expressing more outrage when something bad happens to a white person? Are you more aggressive in pursuing justice for white people, or trying locate missing white people?

    Do you think BIPoC know what they're talking about and are suited to lead? Not be rulers, but leaders? Or do you think you know better than them and you should be the one calling the shots? (if most of the white people on that other thread were truly honest with themselves, they would answer yes to that last question)

    It's easy to answer these questions verbally with the correct answers. But when it comes down to how people act, it's a totally different story. The thread has shown that, given the latter group of questions, a lot of white anarchists would not commit to the right answer. They claim they are anti-racist, but the when it comes to land back, they think they have to keep BIPoC in check because BIPoC might try to do something bad. This is really colonial, slave-master mentality.

    And yes, in before people say "not every BIPoC is automatically right," do you trust anarchists? Do you trust BIPoC anarchists to properly understand anarchism and also be opposed to hierarchy? Because across the board BIPoC anarchists support land back.

    In light of this, to claim that land back is ethnonationalist and all about hiearchies is to say that either 1) BIPoC don't understand anarchism, only white people understand it (or maybe non-Indigenous PoC) or 2) all BIPoC anarchists are lying and actually aren't interested in dismantling hierarchy, only the benevolent white people are. In either case, this is white arrogance.

    Edit: Also, reading through some of the replies to the now-removed comments gives me hope. Solid moderation on top of people showing some decent solidarity before a mod can get to it