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  • Awoo [she/her]
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    8 months ago

    But on another related tangent: if you or your parents aren't from "the old country" then you aren't [insert whatever]. Maybe this is contentious, maybe not, but it's seriously annoying hearing people like Biden whose parents weren't from Ireland (to my knowledge) MAYBE his grandparents?

    Second generation are. Third generation are not, you become fully assimilated at that point imo.

    The one caveat here is when that person has significant direct family living in both locations. Then you get a dual culture thing going on.

    This is the general attitude we have to it in the UK with regards to something like migrants from India, who we have quite a lot of.

    • Justice@lemmygrad.ml
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      8 months ago

      Just to be clear, second generation is grandchildren.

      F0 being the original immigrants who were born and raised in a different country F1 first generation. children of F0 born and raised in the new country F2 second generation, grandchildren of F0, fully integrated F3 great grandchildren with absolutely no ties to the original country

      etc.

      I'd say the difference between F2 and F3 full integration depends upon the country of origin in the US. Like I said, a German F1 who speaks English fluently would be basically on the same level as an F3 in the US just because they're white and no one is going to know differently. A Nigerian family or Indian family won't have that experience, although by F3 and onward they are also definitely fully integrated (although still treated differently, of course).

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        8 months ago

        Sounds about right. But we don't really do any of this for the western europeans in the UK. There's nothing to assimilate to if they speak the language it's ehhhh that's it really.

        Eastern europeans on the other hand would follow a shortened process like that, unlike non-europeans where the process is longer.

        This is an interesting realisation. I assume it's partially racially/culturally motivated while the other part is probably that it's actually harder for non-europeans to integrate because they're actively treated differently. Definitely a us-foreign-policy thing going on.