OP this is the way to handle this ^. The time for salary negotiation is when they have already made an offer.
In the future, do not answer this question at all. It's a way for them to make the hiring process even more asymmetrical: they know what you're willing to take, but they haven't told you what they're willing to pay. It's their job to make an offer based on their internal range and it's your job to ask for more than that.
Recently I've taken another approach: I just quote a price that's a lot more than one could reasonably expect. I think some of the fucked up psychos conducting interviews see it as some sort of positive power play or something because it has yielded great results.
lol that's hilarious. I would be worried that one of the people would think I was overqualified / wouldn't work there if it was too far outside their range, but I probably shouldn't assume they're thinking even remotely rationally.
Entry Level/slightly mid-level Data analytics. After 1st interview I asked salary, they "didn't have the info Infront of them". They came back next day and asked my expectations. I should've asked their range again but whatever. I gave them my number, which was 10-15k lower than what I should've said.
2nd interview happened. I was prepared to talk to HR about my new expectations but the conversation never came up, I was never alone with HR.
A few days after that interview, they offered me the job at my origibal number. I asked if we could bump it up (a 7k increase)-I got flustered during the call--i should've just asked for the full 15k more. But again, it is what it is.
They said ok, we'll see if it's doable. They got back in less than 2 hours saying yes.
They know I am give bg my 2 weeks notice to my current place Monday. I was thinking of calling Monday and basically saying "hi I resigned, but they offered to match the offer. Could you sweeten the pot a bit"
Hm... I think that is tricky. Probably some lessons learned, but since you asked them for a higher salary and they matched what you asked, I wouldn't go back and ask for more again.
What I would do is ask for a larger raise next year. At annual review time, you say something like "It's been a great year and I'm so glad to be working at <company>. One thing I want to discuss is that I was so excited for the opportunity to work here that I gave a lower number for salary expectations than I otherwise would have. And while I'm thrilled that the negotiations worked out and I did end up here, the difference in salary is proving more challenging than I anticipated. Accordingly, I would like to request a raise of $14,000. (or $9000 + whatever number they'd normally give you as a raise.) I recognize that this would normally represent an unusually large raise, but the important thing is that it would bring my salary more in line with the other offers I got when considering this position, and help alleviate continual worries in these challenging and uncertain economic times. Given my strong performance <assuming you did well> and my enthusiasm for <company you honestly don't give a shit about>, I don't think it would set a problematic precedent to make a one-time exception to our normal compensation adjustment patterns."
I would wait for the offer. By the time they've made the offer, they have already invested in hiring you and they just want to pay you as little as they can get away with to do so. That is your moment of maximum leverage - and when you can choose whether to say you have other offers as suggested below.
In general, figure out what new hires for the job is paying locally and increase your ask by at least 10% of that and/or 10% over their offer, whichever is higher. You might already know what you want to get paid and shouldn't go below that either, of course.
Keep in mind that very few companies give proportional raises for time worked vs. what they offer new hires. This is your best chance of getting more pay at this company.
In the heat of the moment, it's easy to give up right away because it's super uncomfortable. There is a lot of advice about salary negotiation online but it's all basically useless because most people just give up right away and reveal the number they had in mind, which is almost always below market, so they accept it. Just try to set a personal goal before the call and try your best to stick with it. The standard strategy is to be firm but flexible with the number you give, don't undercut yourself, and try to set the stage for another round of negotiations after a formal offer is made.
You negotiate when they give you the offer. That is when you can be aggressive. Just say that you misspoke and then lean in.
OP this is the way to handle this ^. The time for salary negotiation is when they have already made an offer.
In the future, do not answer this question at all. It's a way for them to make the hiring process even more asymmetrical: they know what you're willing to take, but they haven't told you what they're willing to pay. It's their job to make an offer based on their internal range and it's your job to ask for more than that.
Recently I've taken another approach: I just quote a price that's a lot more than one could reasonably expect. I think some of the fucked up psychos conducting interviews see it as some sort of positive power play or something because it has yielded great results.
lol that's hilarious. I would be worried that one of the people would think I was overqualified / wouldn't work there if it was too far outside their range, but I probably shouldn't assume they're thinking even remotely rationally.
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Just say you're reviewing a few offers and really hope you'll have the opportunity to consider theirs if the company is a mutual good fit.
also, let me know if you need more help as you go. I'm REALLY good at this shit.
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Without doxxing yourself, can you give me a bit more context on what industry, and how the negotiations went before this? How do benefits compare?
Entry Level/slightly mid-level Data analytics. After 1st interview I asked salary, they "didn't have the info Infront of them". They came back next day and asked my expectations. I should've asked their range again but whatever. I gave them my number, which was 10-15k lower than what I should've said.
2nd interview happened. I was prepared to talk to HR about my new expectations but the conversation never came up, I was never alone with HR.
A few days after that interview, they offered me the job at my origibal number. I asked if we could bump it up (a 7k increase)-I got flustered during the call--i should've just asked for the full 15k more. But again, it is what it is.
They said ok, we'll see if it's doable. They got back in less than 2 hours saying yes.
They know I am give bg my 2 weeks notice to my current place Monday. I was thinking of calling Monday and basically saying "hi I resigned, but they offered to match the offer. Could you sweeten the pot a bit"
Benefits are more or less the same
Hm... I think that is tricky. Probably some lessons learned, but since you asked them for a higher salary and they matched what you asked, I wouldn't go back and ask for more again.
What I would do is ask for a larger raise next year. At annual review time, you say something like "It's been a great year and I'm so glad to be working at <company>. One thing I want to discuss is that I was so excited for the opportunity to work here that I gave a lower number for salary expectations than I otherwise would have. And while I'm thrilled that the negotiations worked out and I did end up here, the difference in salary is proving more challenging than I anticipated. Accordingly, I would like to request a raise of $14,000. (or $9000 + whatever number they'd normally give you as a raise.) I recognize that this would normally represent an unusually large raise, but the important thing is that it would bring my salary more in line with the other offers I got when considering this position, and help alleviate continual worries in these challenging and uncertain economic times. Given my strong performance <assuming you did well> and my enthusiasm for <company you honestly don't give a shit about>, I don't think it would set a problematic precedent to make a one-time exception to our normal compensation adjustment patterns."
Thanks for the advice
I would wait for the offer. By the time they've made the offer, they have already invested in hiring you and they just want to pay you as little as they can get away with to do so. That is your moment of maximum leverage - and when you can choose whether to say you have other offers as suggested below.
In general, figure out what new hires for the job is paying locally and increase your ask by at least 10% of that and/or 10% over their offer, whichever is higher. You might already know what you want to get paid and shouldn't go below that either, of course.
Keep in mind that very few companies give proportional raises for time worked vs. what they offer new hires. This is your best chance of getting more pay at this company.
In the heat of the moment, it's easy to give up right away because it's super uncomfortable. There is a lot of advice about salary negotiation online but it's all basically useless because most people just give up right away and reveal the number they had in mind, which is almost always below market, so they accept it. Just try to set a personal goal before the call and try your best to stick with it. The standard strategy is to be firm but flexible with the number you give, don't undercut yourself, and try to set the stage for another round of negotiations after a formal offer is made.
All I can say is don't take the job without hammering it down. It will get infinitely harder to negotiate once you sign to hire on.