"if it came to the point where they would be in play, we could follow the Irish example and get smuggled armalites"
yeah, but then the fact that you have to take that extra step of acquiring them means you're already losing compared to people with one at hand.
"and the vast majority never use them"
but then the threat of violence is almost as good as the use i guess.
also, obviously your experiences no doubt vary from mine, but it would be really hard to even get a "dodgy handgun" maybe online i dunno how that works but irl, afaik you can get a loan of a gun if someone knows you really well but i've never 'become aware' of an oppertunity to actually buy one illegally to own.
"you would be better off taking SA80s from TA centres than using handguns against a professional army,"
I wouldn't even know whats best to do, which is another problem with control of guns, lack of education in this kind of thing.
"our olympics pistol shooting team has to train on the Isle of Man because thats the only place in the UK where handguns are legal"
silly. and the MoD can fire munitions and train in england with live rounds? where do the police train do you know?
yeah, but then the fact that you have to take that extra step of acquiring them means you’re already losing compared to people with one at hand.
very true, but it's better than nothing
but then the threat of violence is almost as good as the use i guess.
in my experience, it's sometimes that, sometimes a prestige thing, and sometimes it's because they would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it
also, obviously your experiences no doubt vary from mine, but it would be really hard to even get a “dodgy handgun” maybe online i dunno how that works
for me it went from "i'm 16 and know people who i can buy weed from" to "I'm 16 and know two people who own illegal handguns and one of them has offered to take me to the guy he bought his off of" in a very short time, just by meeting people though people
silly. and the MoD can fire munitions and train in england with live rounds? where do the police train do you know?
i think they have training centres in their local area, the ones from my town train in a nearby slightly bigger town
"for me it went from “i’m 16 and know people who i can buy weed from” to “I’m 16 and know two people who own illegal handguns and one of them has offered to take me to the guy he bought his off of” in a very short time, just by meeting people though people"
i didn't grow up in a city, instead a smallish town so no way did my weed dealer know where to get one hah
later in life, i've only ever seen one irl even from living in cities and when i've known of people having them i've never been offered to get one lol
"i think they have training centres in their local area, the ones from my town train in a nearby slightly bigger town"
makes it seem so pointlessly performative having the olympic team train on an island instead. i guess there are special exemptions for pigs then.
do you think things will change in the UK with 3d printed guns btw?
i didn’t grow up in a city, instead a smallish town
i grew up in a shitty little town on the coast, the chain of people went: friends from school -> dude who sells weed occasionally -> a friend of his -> guy who is a pretty big weed dealer in the area -> a customer of his -> dude who sells class As who happens to own a gun -> a friend of his (also with a gun) who knew a guy who sells guns
it's funny how connections between people can lead to all sorts of things
do you think things will change in the UK with 3d printed guns btw?
possibly, but I would guess that most people who want an illegal handgun would rather get a dodgy reactivated Makarov or 92 from a guy they nominally trust than buy a 3d printer, hope the CAD(?) file they get is good, figure out how to get ammunition (at which point you might as well just drop ~150 quid ( probably outdated) on the dodgy makarov), then do it all over again when the plastic wears out.
interesting thanks, it's just that i know you can build a 3d printer, or even if you buy one, can't you start making guns instead of having to import or reactivate them - i guess I'm wondering more how it will affect the trade more than for the individual - though with more guns around it gets more possible to get one ofc
like will we start to see illegal manufactories I wonder?
i mean, you can make a gun out of anything really, from godawful pipe, nail and a plank of wood shotguns to the sten submachinegun
the 3d printer just makes it easier, and less skill/labour intensive
the problem will be ammunition, if you are going to build something that fires shotgun shells or rifle rounds, you could get them from a gunshop if you had a license, but anything that fires pistol calibre rounds, you would have to buy those black market
with the trade thing, there already are illegal workshops churning them out, mostly (from what I remember) recoil operated submachineguns, you can make them pretty easily from plans on the internet with a cnc lathe
"if it came to the point where they would be in play, we could follow the Irish example and get smuggled armalites"
yeah, but then the fact that you have to take that extra step of acquiring them means you're already losing compared to people with one at hand.
"and the vast majority never use them"
but then the threat of violence is almost as good as the use i guess.
also, obviously your experiences no doubt vary from mine, but it would be really hard to even get a "dodgy handgun" maybe online i dunno how that works but irl, afaik you can get a loan of a gun if someone knows you really well but i've never 'become aware' of an oppertunity to actually buy one illegally to own.
"you would be better off taking SA80s from TA centres than using handguns against a professional army,"
I wouldn't even know whats best to do, which is another problem with control of guns, lack of education in this kind of thing.
"our olympics pistol shooting team has to train on the Isle of Man because thats the only place in the UK where handguns are legal"
silly. and the MoD can fire munitions and train in england with live rounds? where do the police train do you know?
very true, but it's better than nothing
in my experience, it's sometimes that, sometimes a prestige thing, and sometimes it's because they would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it
for me it went from "i'm 16 and know people who i can buy weed from" to "I'm 16 and know two people who own illegal handguns and one of them has offered to take me to the guy he bought his off of" in a very short time, just by meeting people though people
i think they have training centres in their local area, the ones from my town train in a nearby slightly bigger town
"for me it went from “i’m 16 and know people who i can buy weed from” to “I’m 16 and know two people who own illegal handguns and one of them has offered to take me to the guy he bought his off of” in a very short time, just by meeting people though people"
i didn't grow up in a city, instead a smallish town so no way did my weed dealer know where to get one hah later in life, i've only ever seen one irl even from living in cities and when i've known of people having them i've never been offered to get one lol
"i think they have training centres in their local area, the ones from my town train in a nearby slightly bigger town"
makes it seem so pointlessly performative having the olympic team train on an island instead. i guess there are special exemptions for pigs then.
do you think things will change in the UK with 3d printed guns btw?
i grew up in a shitty little town on the coast, the chain of people went: friends from school -> dude who sells weed occasionally -> a friend of his -> guy who is a pretty big weed dealer in the area -> a customer of his -> dude who sells class As who happens to own a gun -> a friend of his (also with a gun) who knew a guy who sells guns
it's funny how connections between people can lead to all sorts of things
possibly, but I would guess that most people who want an illegal handgun would rather get a dodgy reactivated Makarov or 92 from a guy they nominally trust than buy a 3d printer, hope the CAD(?) file they get is good, figure out how to get ammunition (at which point you might as well just drop ~150 quid ( probably outdated) on the dodgy makarov), then do it all over again when the plastic wears out.
interesting thanks, it's just that i know you can build a 3d printer, or even if you buy one, can't you start making guns instead of having to import or reactivate them - i guess I'm wondering more how it will affect the trade more than for the individual - though with more guns around it gets more possible to get one ofc
like will we start to see illegal manufactories I wonder?
i mean, you can make a gun out of anything really, from godawful pipe, nail and a plank of wood shotguns to the sten submachinegun
the 3d printer just makes it easier, and less skill/labour intensive
the problem will be ammunition, if you are going to build something that fires shotgun shells or rifle rounds, you could get them from a gunshop if you had a license, but anything that fires pistol calibre rounds, you would have to buy those black market
with the trade thing, there already are illegal workshops churning them out, mostly (from what I remember) recoil operated submachineguns, you can make them pretty easily from plans on the internet with a cnc lathe