Fascism is just liberalism in crisis you dumb fucks. They aren't just 2A activists or whatever the fuck. They are showing up to protests to shoot people
The argument was that they're just Ron Paul type libertarians who hate cops and the government as much as we do, which means that when uprisings escalate that they would side with us, so really we need to be nice to them and extend an olive branch when they come out to the protests. Obviously the past few months and especially yesterday have prove this false, and shown that actually they love cops when they're oppressing and killing groups they don't like, and their anti-government stance is just posturing to bolster their image as modern day cowboy rebels or whatever.
Ron Paul type libertarians who hate cops and the government as much as we do, which means that when uprisings escalate that they would side with us
I'm practically a libertarian ethnographer, and this is borderline ridiculous on its face.
There are vanishingly few libertarians who fit this bill. The vast majority of self-described libertarians are either embarrassed Republicans who break with party orthodoxy on a pet issue or two (marijuana policy, LGBT rights, etc.) or people who lack firm ideological beliefs but dislike taxes and bureaucracy. At best you'll get ones who will acknowledge the full horror of the U.S. carceral state, but the idea that this mere acknowledgement of reality translates to a belief they'd be willing to take a bullet for doesn't hold water. By and large, they're all invested in the current system via either material wealth or the "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" mentality, which again suggests they're not going to be any sort of meaningful asset. And of course libertarianism is rife with racism and other reactionary thought; look at the newsletters old Ron Paul himself used to publish, and look at takes on the Civil Rights Act that range from "it wasn't needed because the free market would have ended racism" to "yes, private businesses should be able to be as racist as they want, what's wrong with that?" If that's ignorance, someone that ignorant is unlikely to be of any net help, and if it's genuine racism disguised to appeal to the ignorant then of course they aren't on our side.
TL;DR: Anytime someone tries to sell you on "oh XYZ libertarian is actually alright," you should presume that person is full of shit and it should take a lot of evidence to change your mind.
How did this ever amount to a serious argument? Fascists always fight the state until they seize it (or are given it)
They are people who have played wayyy too much Call of Duty and are disconnected from reality. My observation is that they want to be video game characters in real life without realizing that them or other people really actually die when you shoot at them. I'm not saying that they don't want to shoot people. I'm saying they don't exactly understand what that means because their lives up to this point have been so consequence-free.
I don't think most are 'fascist' per se. Their ignorance makes them easy for fascists to drawn in though. They are incapable of valuing human life due to their experiences. I think many are trying to find an easier in-road to do gun violence than the military or police which require a period of training and personal discipline.
Don't anybody get me wrong, they should be shunned by the left or re-educated when possible. I've seen some comments around the left interwebs defending them as 'not right wing'. It seems coordinated to me, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone is running a propaganda campaign to try to make inroads with the left. Fortunately it seems like its mostly being shut down once the fence sitters see what the boogs are really like in the wild.
EDIT: A word - thank you emizeko
They're quantum accelerationists, holding two superpositions at once: "cops are bad" & "property damage should be met with lethal violence".
